This man, Ban Ki-moon, couldn't be more right.

While I was in the UK, I watched a very interesting documentary on Global Warming and its consequences. The topic of that day was the disappearance of a small island in the Pacific Ocean, and what the people living there were trying to do to make their ways out of the island, to safe land.
The problem becomes more serious if you analyze that these people were living close to Australia and New Zealand, and that's exactly where they're going to once the island disappears completely. Not beacuse there will be no space in Australia or NZ for them, but what about Culture? I think it'll be a clash of cultures. I'm not saying it will have disastrous consequences, or that it will start a palestinean-jewish-like conflict, but imagine how sad it is for these people to migrate to a new place... to get used to new ways of living.

Nothing more.

Emiliano

Never a truer statement has been said..

Thanks Mwiz from-- truthseekerforum.com

A threat 1000 times worse is global cooling when we enter the next ice age. We can adapt just fine to warming but cooling would be the true catastrophy. We're due to start the cooling part of the natural cycle any time now.

If there is any global warming it can only be hot air enamating from these so called politicians. What a joke. It would be a good laugh except too many people pay attention to the rhetoric from these jokers.

I am a farmer and I do not beleive there is Global Warming

For all of you who are still on the side of good that hasn't completely bought into the Global Warming hype... here is a documentary from the British that should lift your spirits.

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html

Truly,
Christopher Scott, Esq.

I have been reading quite a bit about the Global Warming debate in recent months. Everyone talks about the amount of carbon dioxide greenhouse gases emitted by fossil fuels. If memory serves me correct, the figure is something over 26 billion tons annually in recent years. Very few bother to point out that natural releases of carbon dioxide far exceed these amounts. Again, I believe the number exceeds 700 billion tons annually. The pat answer is that there is equilibrium between natural release, and natural absorption, and that the build up of carbon dioxide from 1750 (as well as the last cold period of the 70's), rests solely from fossil fuel releases. Of course, this is "America's fault".

Nobody bothers to mention, address, or evaluate the impact of the massive growth in world population. According to published sources, in 1750, the world population was at under 1 billion. In 1970, it was under 4 billion, now it is over 6 billion, and growing.

I read somewhere that each person exhales about one ton of carbon dioxide each year, so I guess we add that to the "natural emissions", not to mention everyone�s pets. But one has to wonder, what are the other effects, even when fossil fuel consumption is not as significant as here? Has anyone bothered to try and address the change in natural emissions over the years? Even minor "carbon footprints" add up when you throw a billion or so people into the mix.

But these present complicated and moral dilemmas very few are willing to tackle, and, of course, the problem rests squarely outside of the lower 48. So instead, lets put America on a guilt trip and blame Big Oil. This makes everything much simpler, especially for the UN, and Hollywood.

Here's another good link that explains why the climate modelling done by the IPCC is a crock and totally unreliable.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/numerical_models_integrated_ci.html

3000 scientists were listed a few years ago as supporting global warming claims. Upon closer scrutiny these experts turned out to be 80% or so social scientists and not experts in the field. Credibility took a beating at this revelation. Even more so is the failure of the global warmingso called experts to apologize for the previous dire predictions of global cooling and the eminant coming ice age of which we are are far overdue. (according to previous research released in the 1970's) Now you want us to take this global warming doom and gloom seriously? Lots of money to be made I am sure. But not mine. Not this time. However I will try to keep an open mind and to continue to watch all the evidence as it is forthcoming. Responce anyone?

Channel 4 Thursday 8 March at 9pm

In a polemical and thought-provoking documentary, film-maker Martin Durkin argues that the theory of man-made global warming has become such a powerful political force that other explanations for climate change are not being properly aired.

The film brings together the arguments of leading scientists who disagree with the prevailing consensus that a 'greenhouse effect' of carbon dioxide released by human activity is the cause of rising global temperatures.

Instead the documentary highlights recent research that the effect of the sun's radiation on the atmosphere may be a better explanation for the regular swings of climate from ice ages to warm interglacial periods and back again.

The film argues that the earth's climate is always changing, and that rapid warmings and coolings took place long before the burning of fossil fuels. It argues that the present single-minded focus on reducing carbon emissions not only may have little impact on climate change, it may also have the unintended consequence of stifling development in the third world, prolonging endemic poverty and disease.

The film features an impressive roll-call of experts, including nine professors � experts in climatology, oceanography, meteorology, environmental science, biogeography and paleoclimatology � from such reputable institutions as MIT, NASA, the International Arctic Research Centre, the Institut Pasteur, the Danish National Space Center and the Universities of London, Ottawa, Jerusalem, Winnipeg, Alabama and Virginia.

The film hears from scientists who dispute the link between carbon dioxide levels and global temperatures.

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Now you know the GW scare tactics are just that when the socialist UN starts making comments like this!....Wouldn't they just love to control the United States and tell us what to do, not only regarding this, but regarding other issues too?..So the world could "live as one?"...(isn't it ironic that the most outspoken of the Beatles was the first of them to wind up dead?).....Oh you bet your bippy, baby!....I really with they would leave this country and set up shop in Brussels or Paris someplace.....Places that believe their leftist fear mongering trip!......To the United Nations: Please just keep your hands off of my country, and go away and never come back!!!!

The UN is the most useless of all the organizations put together by mankind. There has been plenty of opportunities for the UN to prove it's worth...in Africa for example. But it always comes down to the US to solve these planetary crises'. Darfur is currently in turmoil with genocide obviously taking place...what is the UN doing? Wringing it's hands, and blaming the US for doing nothing. And so it goes, the UN has contrived a global warming epidemic with it's "distinguished" IPCC panel of bureaucratic scientists, who, using a modified version of the "science by consensus method" have decided that the US is responsible for Global Warming and therefore must correct the situation. The problem is that these "scientists" have their heads stuck in their coreholes and can't see the sunshine...the real cause of global warming....Conrad

Prominent French Scientist reverses belief in Global Warming.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388

New documentary claims global warming is lies.

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=CZ434669U&news_headline=global_warming_is_lies_claims_documentary

Here come the skeptics again, saying the world hates their country.

Of course the US is not the only responsible for GW. I've mentioned thousands of times that China and India pollutes as well.

One more thing, the conservatives say that they hate when the government tells them what to do. That they hate being controlled. I wonder, aren't you being controlled in your country when you are required to pay useless taxes to support a war in Iraq, or when you go to an airport and can't even take milk for your baby because it may have "a horrific substance with it that could be used as a weapon of massive destruction" ??? This is the government controlling your actions.

By the way, I don't know if you are aware of this: South Korea is not the communist Korea... just in case.

Emiliano

Emiliano, ever hear of Atlantis? Islands have been popping up and dissappearing since the beginning of time. Your argument holds no water, pun intended.

The US has been an economic power for a long time and many want to see us fall. Unfortunately the UN needs to pay more attention to important things, such as Oil hoarding and terrorism instead of idiotic panic tactits. Unfortunately they know our bleeding heart society will jump on any bandwagon if they use scare tactics like this. Remember all the scares we had in the 80's? Trash overrun, oceans drying up, you name it, everyone rushed to get involved. I agree in leaving the world a better place, but I don't think scaring up funding for scientists will heal the world and reverse nature's course. Man has very little impact on this.

I'm a high school student, and I am doing a agricultural issues presentation on global warming. If there is anyone who can possibly give me any information about global warming, I would greatly appreciate it. My e-mail address is fraiken_clazy78@yahoo.com. Thank you for your support.

Please, no bs.

Emiliano,

They believe that the science behind GW is 'junk science', and yet, they fell hook, line, and sinker for the biggest pseudo-science of all: the science of 'intelligence gathering'. If they were as skeptical of the "intelligence" that showed Iraq having WMDs, then perhaps thousands of lives, and hundreds of billions of dollars, would be saved from what future history books will call the biggest boondoggle in US history, the Iraq War.

Mark,

Spoken like a true Independent! Alot of your blogs make you sound exactly a Liberal Democrat. Are you ashamed to admit who you really are? Which Republicans and Independents did you vote for in the past 6 years. You must love Joe Lieberman, right Independent thinker ;) Peace out.

Islands have been popping up and disappearing for years. Even the Hawaiian islands sink about an inch or so every year. And there are some islands that are still being created because of all the volcanic activity. If man is causing Global warming, what is caused the warming on some of our neighboring planets? As far as we know, there aren't any people of gaseous dinosaurs on the other planets.

Julie, do you have a link to any website that says something about the warming of other plantes?

I would like to see it, please.

Quote from Jaques Chirac on Carbon tax to divert effect of global warming

"For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organisation which France and the European Union would like to see established.

And you thought it was bout the Environment.

Don't be a lemming

We all must carefully think about whether the effects of changing our lifestyle to meet the global warming hype will be worse (specifically for developing countries) than if we were to continue to do what we are doing.

Unless we are 100% confident that we can change anything, I think it is horrible idea to force change on anyone based upon this sketchy science.

I heard a report on the radio several months ago about how there are now therapists who specialize in global-warming anxiety. I think we've gone a little overboard with our worrying about this phenomenon in the last couple of years. Its one thing to discuss the scientific data and attempt to reach a concensus on a path forward, but its another entirely for the media to turn this into another cold-war-esque, hide-under-your-desk crisis.
As a geologist, I know that the earth has seen much warmer and much colder climates than anything mankind has ever and will ever experience. Sea level has been hundreds of feet higher and lower than it is now. The earth will survive. If you're worried about humanity, then say so, but don't worry about the earth - it can take anything we can throw at it.

Taylor S,

I will try to help as much as I can with some information. I hope that's useful to you. I've already sent an e-mail to you. In case you didn't receive the e-mail, you can write to:

emiliano_peralta89@hotmail.com

Rich,

Yes, I'm one of the 80% of independents who, before the war, were skeptical of Iraq having WMDs, and are now adamantly opposed to the mess going on over there.

If Guiliani or McCain are the Republican nominees, which is extremely likely at this point, there is a good chance that I will vote for either of them. Those men can separate ideology from science, which is something you and most others here can not do.

-Mark

There's a bit in here on the island nation of Tuvalu supposedly sinking...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/whos_afraid_of_global_warming.html

Trust someone (Mark) to link GW skeptics with the war in Iraq.

Its the best these GW advocates can think of. Instead of giving us facts that prove GW, they have to divert attention away to another subject.

Fact: The Medieval Warm Period existed globally and at its height was warmer then our period.
Fact: The Roman Warm Period existed globally and was about the same temps as we are having now.
Fact: The Little Ice Age existed globally and is estimated to have been 2 degrees Celsius below current global temperatures.
Fact: Alaskas temperatures during the 1940's was higher then todays temperatures. (Dont believe me look up the temp records on GISS)
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=425701330000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=425702610000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=425702000000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

What have GW advocates got for us? Nothing but rhetoric backed up by a puff of wind.

Global warming is a scam and I prove it by finding flaws and fudged numbers in many global warming reports. I show a motive as to why scientists promote false reports and the real scam behind global warming.

Chris,

Interesting link the one you provided, though clearly biased. It was useful, however, for me to come to certain conclusions.

Of course, Vanautu is not sinking and it even if it was it is beacuse the buildings are eroding the ground, says the article... doesn't it sound a bit unlikely? I mean, if that were the case, Japan should be sinking as well because, I don't know if you are aware of this, but only 4% of the Japanese territory is good enough for people to live there. The article in question said the news have been talking about the sinking island for the last two years. But, I watched the documentary on T.V. a month or so ago, and that was big news! Apparently, we're not talking about the same island. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the island I'm talking about, but I'll e-mail channel 4 and asked them what the name is.

Secondly, the article said that last year's Hurricane Season was a washout. I wonder if these people took into consideration two things while writing this:

a) The appearence of El Nino directly impacts the tropical activity. The number of Hurricane diminishes in the Atlantic, and it works the other way around in the Pacific. When NOAA and the University of Colorado and any long-term meteorologist made the 2006 Hurricane Season forecast, th El Nino event was not even developing, thus not taken into account.

b) The path the storms followed. Hadn't it been for the strong jet stream that protected the East coast of the US, the story would have been different. The storms did form in the Atlantic, but most of them took a NNE direction and remained off the coastal states. Remember, what makes a Hurricane Season historical is not just the number of Cyclones or the intensity of them, but also where (if somewhere) they make landfall.

And finally, they said diseases are not something we should worry about... That's crazy! It's March in my country, and the cool autumn-like air should be arriving from the South. Instead, we have 30�C with high percentage of humidity, which creates ideal conditions for mosquitoes to grow. I don't need to mention the diseases connected with this insect, because I assume you already know them. If you understand some Spanish, here's a link to the expansion of Mosquitoes-related diseases CURRENTLY taking place (It's not a model):

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/02/08/um/m-01359931.htm

Nothing more.

Emiliano

Fact: The Medieval Warm Period existed globally and at its height was warmer then our period.
Fact: The Roman Warm Period existed globally and was about the same temps as we are having now.
Fact: The Little Ice Age existed globally and is estimated to have been 2 degrees Celsius below current global temperatures.

I'd like to see some cites from peer-reviewed journals for each of these alleged "facts".

Journals for MWP

Africa

Quarternary Science Reviews 22:2111-2326
The Halocene 13:285-292
The Halocene 15:1021-1031
Quarternary Science Reviews 24:1375-1389
Science 212:1142-1145

Asia

Global & Planetary Change 46:281-297
Physics of the Earth & Planetary Interiors 152:314-325
Earth & Planetary Science Letters 233:61-40

New Zealand

The Halocene 14:194-208

South America

Geophysical Research Letters 31:10.1029/2004GL020161
Quaternary Research 61:148-158

This is just for beginners.

The Channel 4 documentary has already been rebutted by both The Guardian and the Observer newspapers, here in the UK. Its just clutching at straws really, another misguided attempt to muddy the water :-(

It is rather sad to see how people in the US are failing to do the background, on AGW, for what seem to be political reasons. AGW is not a KGB plot. If you think that, you are paranoid!

Just in case you Americans didn't realise, the rest of the world is actually really scared, and no amount of out-of-date reactionary propaganda is gonna change that. Do your homework!

Your ignorance is truly frightening.

Journals documenting the Roman Warm Period

Asia

Geophysical Research Letters 29:10.1029/2001GL014485
Journal of Geophysical Research 109:10.1029/2003JD003787

Europe

Earth & Planetary Science Letters 213:63-78

Southern Ocean

The Halocene 13:251-263

North America

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 98:10,552-10,556

Little Ice Age

Africa

Geology 29:83-86
Quaternary International 33:55-60
Climate Change 48:387-398

Arctic

Journal of Paleolimnology 25:503-517
Science 282:268-271

Antarctic

The Halocene 11:1-9
The Halocene 12:619-627

Asia

Progress in Natural Science 10:54-61

These are just all samples of some journals with documented evidence of the MWP, RWP and LIA

Of course they make a mockery of the junk science as practiced by the IPCC and their lackeys.

Wow! Now we're looking for citations as well. Quid pro quo Tom; you have to start providing cites for any alleged "facts" that you set forth.

Hey mark (the lower-case one), please don't take these posts as representative of the American point of view. I have to believe these paranoid opinions do constitute a minority in this country (a distressing large minority, but still). And it will get smaller as time goes on. It might be too late by then, but policymakers are catching up to this. Almost a dozen states have adopted climate controls, and the next president will almost certainly enact them nationally. And I'm sure you'd find equal or greater degrees of ignorance re: AGW in other places outside Europe (and in parts of Europe, too). Just take it as a warning that civil society and a rational worldview are not to be taken for granted, not our natural birthright or the product of some inevitable social "evolution." They must be defended every step of the way.

mark:

Thanks for telling us that the rest of the world is really scared. It just proves to us that unfortunately, many of the socialistic based governments have served only to perpetuate an urban myth designed solely to obtain wealth of prosperous countries.

And since someone else brought it up, tell me was the rest of the world as scared of radical islamists. You see, since the rest of the world coddled islamists, they were emboldened enough to conjure the events in the US, Spain and England.

Besides, what is scary about GW? More mosquitos? I think not. Higher ocean levels? Maybe, I suggest you just go inland a couple hundred feet. Tell me, is it common for europeans to holiday in Norway or the Med.? I know here in the great America, most go to Florida or Cal. not Montana.

Darren,

I don't think the mosquitoes stuff is funny.
In Paraguay (South America), thousands are suffering from diseases spred by mosquitoes. And some people even die. The habitat conducive to mosquitoes growth is expanding due to an increase in humidity and warm temperatures.

Mar Del Plata, a city by the Argentinean Sea, had never seen a person suffering from Dengue till yesterday.

Or even worse, isn't malaria a threat to people in Africa or in America (that's to say: Central and South America included)?? It may not be scary for the ones who live in Michigan or in Patagonia (Argentina) where it's generally cool and cold in Winter. But what about the rest of the world? You're being selfish.

Thanks for the cites, Steve.

I attempted to track down the first two (Quarternary Science Reviews 22:2111-2326 and The Halocene 13:285-292) and found their abstracts.

Unfortunately the full-text costs $25-30 each, and I'm not prepared to spend that much.

The first seems to pertain to the "Little Ice Age" more than MWA. I did not ascertain the relevance of the second from its abstract.

As I understand it, the issue with the MWP is that:
a) There is a great deal of ambiguity about how it should be defined.
b) There is disagreement about widespread it was.
c) There is disagreement about whether there were simultaneous warming episodes in, for example, the tropics or the southern hemisphere.
d) There is disagreement about whether it was a thermal or a hydrological event. Bradley quotes Stine's suggestion that it might more accurately be called the "MCA" -- Medieval Climate Anomaly.

Wow! Now we're looking for citations as well. Quid pro quo Tom; you have to start providing cites for any alleged "facts" that you set forth.

What's the surprise, Michael? Generally when I assert facts, I try to source them -- some contributors here claim I cite sources to excess.

Such sourcing, followed by reasoned and civil discussion, is how science gets done. Since Laura has indicated that she wants more science and less politics here, I hope we'll see rather more cites and rather fewer polemics -- myself included.

Emiliano,

First of all, America is the most generous country on the face of the earth. We are noe *selfish*.

Secondly, a leading *environmentalist* was instrumental in banning a mosquito killing chemical from many countries. This was done because of concern for toxic absorption by humans and the environment.

Well guess, what, since then more people have died from diseases than would have died from any amount of absorption. A caring gesture turned out to be a fatal mistake.

The concensus among climate scientists is that the MWP RWP and the LIA happened. If you want you can go to www.co2science.org and click on their MWP Project. They have summerised the publications

Also there is one other point. I went to the IPCC home page yesterday and one of their charters is to assess all peer reviewed papers on climate science. Yet the IPCC will not acknowledge these warm periods. That means they are not following their charter.