is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of the global warming hysteria might be's, may be's, could be's? it never ends...just look at the historical record of the articles on this blog...guess the agw cult lives by the motto if you cannot win the argument with reason, then try baffling em with bull----...

OK, it is one thing for man to make himself extinct with global warming, but when it affects the Flowering Dogwood tree... Oh the humanity. Or lack thereof.

Save the dogwoods!!

Everyone who really believes this should go dig up a dogwood and plant it in Canada where it will enjoy the promised northward progression of the temperate zone.

If they aren't willing to do that because they understand that the tree would freeze to death in Canada, they should probably cut out their fear-mongering.

No doubt the real goal is just to raise money.

Dogwoods in PA died off a couple of decades ago due to anthracnose. It had nothing to do with global warming. We had somewhere around a 95% mortality rate.

I'd tell you to plant yellow poplar, but it grows pretty tall for a yard tree. Gypsy moth will starve before they eat them, and there are very few diseases that affect them. Its in the magnolia family.

And it may not. I suspect that the dogwood has survived worse over the past 2,000 years.

Save the dogwoods!!

Everyone who really believes this should go dig up a dogwood and plant it in Canada where it will enjoy the promised northward progression of the temperate zone.

If they aren't willing to do that because they understand that the tree would freeze to death in Canada, they should probably cut out their fear-mongering.

No doubt the real goal is just to raise money.

So all these areas will either be flooded or drought stricken with GW. I don't think so. This isn't a scientific observation in any way, just a thoughtful and logical one. It boggles the mind how they keep throwing all these death and destruction predictions out there for the gullible press to run with and feed to the gullible populace. It's understandable how some despots totally control their media...LOL.

Since our friend Patrick Henry recently posted about England's "cool" weather, I wonder what he thinks about this?

http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&article=2

Mark,

I went to your link and it shows "cooler and comfortable" for the New England. Not sure what your point is.

Every day this summer has been well below normal in the UK and long term forecasts show more of the same - despite the continuous drone of fear-mongering by the UK press press about summer heat due to global warming.

Looks like Accuweather changed their headline. Try this link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-briefs28.1jun28,1,861438.story?coll=la-news-a_section

Mark,

It is summer, and it is hot around the Mediterranean. How re-Mark-able and unusual!

"The all time world record temperature of 136 F was observed in Libya on September 13, 1922."
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20010907.html

I think 1922 was before the IPCC invented the hockey stick.

I checked data for the last 30 days in every city in England -- and all of them were 0.5 Celsius to 1.5 Celsius ABOVE normal.

I could not find any city below normal over the past 30 days.

Furthermore, England -- and virtually all of Europe for that matter -- are having one of their warmest, if not the warmest, years ever.

If you're insinuating that, since the past few days have been below normal in England, global warming isn't occuring, that is really desperate on your part. And just lends more credibility to the fact that deniers simply don't know the difference between climate and weather.

Mark,

Summer started on June 21. It has been cold and rainy across the UK for that period, and the long term forecast shows more of the same. That was all I said, and I tire of you trying to change the subject or time period.

Much of northern Europe had a warm winter and spring. It looks like they are going to have a cold summer, contrary to the many predictions of heat waves this summer. Summer of 1968 was cold and rainy in England, and the summer of 2003 was hot. There isn't any pattern here.

The entire AGW theory is based on measurements from a short time period, and suggests that the proponents of AGW are the ones who don't understand the meaning of climate.

Patrick:

Are you really in England?

Nice comment on the whole AGW theory. Come to think of it, you are exactly correct. In order to be an AGWer, you have to believe that the climate started in 1850 or so. Pretty short term considering the age of the earth either biblically or geographically.

I checked the NOAA records, and it turns out that temperatures in Virginia have actually trended downwards over the last 75 years. This link may not last-
http://climvis.ncdc.noaa.gov/tmp/graph-Jun3011:27:184514465332.gif

If you can't find it, go here-
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/va.html
select: Period - annual, start year 1930, and submit

A good indication of how AGW hysterics have become completely detached from reality.

If you're insinuating that, since the past few days have been below normal in England, global warming isn't occuring, that is really desperate on your part.

REPLY: Sounds to me like you are the one who is desperate. Desperate to get people to continue to believe in your big bold face (political) lie that is Global Warming. Oh, by the by, Right now at 4:23pm on 6/30/07 in Pittsburgh, PA, 74 degrees F with a low going down to 50F tonight, and tomorrow 76F is predicted (we'll be lucky to get to 70). Still waiting for that predicted above normal summer that all of the panicers were calling for for the Northeast! Phooey on Global Warming!

The Denier from Hades!

Darren,

I'm from England, but happy to be over here away from the bombings, cold and rain.

BTW - I was poking a little fun at MSNBC about the prince Charles story. In Europe they use commas as Americans use decimal points. A detail which appeared lost on the MSNBC writer.

It is called Global rather than Virginia Warming since the effects go beyond the macaca state.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/cag3.html

As another exercise, select the national/annual formula above. The 1901-2001 US warming trend is +0.11 degrees F/decade.

For a broader view, run one of the animations of historical data.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/animations/

It is called Global rather than Virginia Warming since the effects go beyond the macaca state.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/cag3.html

As another exercise, select the national/annual formula above. The 1901-2001 US warming trend is +0.11 degrees F/decade. Lower than global averages but the same trend, up.

For a broader view, run one of the animations of historical data.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/animations/

I own a plant nursery in Athens Georgia for the past 20 years and not only do I grow dogwood trees but am very well informed on their culture and problems. Actually global warming in the eastern and southeastern US. would be helpful not harmful to the dogwood tree. The particular strain of dogwood anthracnose which has nearly wiped out the dogwoods in the northeastern US. and in the higher elevations of the mountainous areas of the southeastern US. thrives in moist and cooler temperatures. This disease is not lethal to dogwoods growing in the hotter coastal plain and piedmont areas of the southeast and mid-atlantic regions. This has been backed up by extensive research done by the university of Tennessee pathology department. Frequent summer daytime temperatures of 94-96 degrees inhibit the spread and activity of this disease.

"Right now at 4:23pm on 6/30/07 in Pittsburgh, PA, 74 degrees F with a low going down to 50F tonight, and tomorrow 76F is predicted (we'll be lucky to get to 70). Still waiting for that predicted above normal summer that all of the panicers were calling for for the Northeast!"

June finished above normal in Pittsburgh.

"Summer started on June 21"

Right. Today is July 1st. It's too bad it's been a brutally cold summer in England, a summer which is only 10 days old.

Oh, but wait. Speaking of switching time frames, weren't you the one who was talking about how it's been so cold midsummer in Alaska; and yet, we hadn't even reached the summer solstice?

http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2007/06/global_warming_speeding_ocean.html#comment-10373

"It looks like they are going to have a cold summer, contrary to the many predictions of heat waves this summer."

It could be cold, it could be warm, I don't know, but it's clear that you're basing this "scientific prediction of yours on the fact that it's been cold for the past few days.

"It is summer, and it is hot around the Mediterranean. How re-Mark-able and unusual!"

And it's cold and rainy in England. What a surprise.

Mark,

Check the temperature records for Barrow, Alaska for the summer. Two weeks into summer they have been below normal every day except one, most days well below normal and barely above freezing. This is a region which according to AGW folklore has shifted upwards by eight degrees.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/PABR/2007/6/3/MonthlyHistory.html

Remember that the melting season in the arctic is only 8-12 weeks long. Where is this bubble of greenhouse gas which is supposedly cooking the arctic and melting the polar ice cap? Where is all the cold air coming from?

I'd prefer not to hear the usual nonsense about "short time periods" so I encourage you to plot out the official data for all 48 states over the last 85 years at this NOAA site. You will find that most states have been cooling since the 1920s or 1930s. Also, Arizona was warmer in the late 19th century than it is now.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/state.html