Cooling from Global Warming?
Global Warming may actually lead to a cooler climate for Newfoundland and Labrador, according to a Canadian Scientist in an article by CTV.
George Rose, a professor specializing in Ocean and Fisheries Science at the Memorial University in St. John's, Newfoundland says that melting ice from glaciers on Baffin Island and Greenland due to global warming will further cool the chilly Labrador Current, which flows southward from the Arctic to the Grand Banks just southeast of Newfoundland.
The current already has a strong influence on the climate of Newfoundland and Labrador, and the lowering of the water temperatures should have an overall cooling effect on the climate. Rose also believes that a cooler climate across Newfoundland and Labrador would shift the seal population into more northern waters and impact fish species.
As some of you know, I also write a Canadian Weather Blog, and I look at the weather across Newfoundland on a regular basis. Certainly a very tough climate up there! At this point, I think Rose's conclusion makes a lot of sense, assuming there is long-term global warming, but the degree of cooling is still a big question to me.



Comments (47)
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Posted by Tarun K Juyal | July 20, 2007 3:12 AM
hahahahahahahahahaHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LOL ROFLOL!..Hey guys, warming leads to cooling! and guess what??? You can make gasoline out of ice cream too!!!...hahahhahahahaha!!!!!...Just more rhetoric to trying a fool us...These people are truly truly desperate to get their agenda thru....But then again, we philistines no nothing of the causes and affects, do we???...Ain't buying it, Canada!
DENY DENY DENY THE GLOBAL WARMING LIE!!!!!
p.s. Pittsburgh PA forecast for the next 3 days. Low Temperatures in the low 50s F. Nothing like getting jipped of a summer that was predicted to be mega hot! What a crock!!!
Posted by Oiznop | July 20, 2007 7:17 AM
Sounds like a classic CYA maneuver to me.
Posted by Paul | July 20, 2007 8:18 AM
If it is warm, it is due to global warming. If it is cool it is due to global warming. The perfect explanation for any aberration from the false perception that climate is either normally stable or comfortable.
BTW - another AGW fantasy (from Laura's blog last month) exploded :
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/43163/story.htm
"MADRID - A parasite common in Asian bees has spread to Europe and the Americas and is behind the mass disappearance of honeybees in many countries, says a Spanish scientist who has been studying the phenomenon for years."
Posted by Patrick Henry | July 20, 2007 8:33 AM
This is a good article. Alone the same line, our local TV Weather Man (Dave Eichorn in Syracuse NY) has also pointed out that global warming has also resulted in a thicker troposphere and more active polar jet stream.
One result is a condition called the Greenland block, when the polar jet stream drags huge amounts of cold air south towards eastern Canada and the North East US. At the same time, warm air is is flowing northward over Europe/Asia into the artic and melting those portions.
So, instead of all the cold air remaining blocked up in the arctic all the time, it's mixing with warmer air from the south. In short, there is much more storminess than there was before because the climate is changing.
I would image that as the pace of Global Warming increases, the amout of storminess will as well until the climate reaches a new equilibrium.
Posted by Andrew | July 20, 2007 8:38 AM
Well, if you were to believe the deniers, every little section of the world is supposed to warm in a linear fashion.
Yes, there can be areas of regional cooling in a warmer world. Unfortunately, deniers can't grasp this concept; hence, we continue to get posts about the weather in Timbucktoo.
Posted by Mark | July 20, 2007 9:20 AM
This is a good article. Alone the same line, our local TV Weather Man (Dave Eichorn in Syracuse NY) has also pointed out that global warming has also resulted in a thicker troposphere and more active polar jet stream.
REPLY: Ok Andrew, for a small amount of time, I will buy this point. Now then, I ask you, are we evil humans the cause of this??? And if you answer yes, then to what extent? My guess is minimal if any at all. The burden of proof lay with you panic mongers! Prove it!
Yes, there can be areas of regional cooling in a warmer world. Unfortunately, deniers can't grasp this concept; hence, we continue to get posts about the weather in Timbucktoo.
REPLY: And you always will, Paly. That why we love ya!....;-D.....
DENY DENY DENY THE GLOBAL WARMING LIE!!!!
Posted by Oiznop | July 20, 2007 9:59 AM
I can't believe that someone like Andrew would post a comment & refer to the NAO ( North Atlantic Oscillation ) and imply that it is in someway a result of GW. He is obviously totally lacking in any knowledge of the postioning and variation of the highs & lows in the Atlantic in the winter.
Most of the strongly opinionated, layman, GW supporters seem to have never looked at climate or taken a climatology course of any type & they certainly don't have any texts on weather.
To their nitwit brains Albedos are the white haired critters.
I disagree with Andrew that it is a good article, but perhaps there is some numerical data the good professor has which didn't make it to this arm waving report.
Thanks for doing this Brett.
Be good,
Rick.
Posted by rick pay | July 20, 2007 10:03 AM
Interesting. While I have no problem with local climates cooling and other's warming while there is a general global trend up or down, this highlights how little we know about global climate and feedback mechanisms.
Certain areas cool, others heat up..how do they mix? If glacial melting causes cooling, that cool air doesn't stay totally isolated, somehow in the overall system there is heat transferred. Calculating the overall effect of the mixing on a global scale and making predictions off that is beyond current number crunching/modelling programs. That in turn means there's no real way for us to know whether these feedback mechanisms further the warming, neutralize it or accentuate it.
Ultimately it means we don't have a good base to make assumptions from and therefore climate models suffer.
Posted by plish | July 20, 2007 10:05 AM
Mark,
Just an observation, you seem to change your weather opinion based on what is written on the blog. In many of your responses, YOU are the one implying everything is warming in linear fashion, but then you change to say you agree some places it gets colder. Unfortunately you are doing what the AGW community does to cover itself, one of the many reasons nobody who is even slightly skeptical that humans cause global warming believe your fluff here.
Posted by Jeff | July 20, 2007 10:08 AM
"warm air is is flowing northward over Europe/Asia into the artic and melting those portions."
Guess that explains why two winters ago was one of the coldest on record in most of Russia and eastern Europe, and why this summer has been cool across much of Europe. Remember all the roofs collapsing in Russia under the weight of snow during the winter of 2006?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4742134.stm
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/UKXX0085?from=36hr_topnav_business
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGLL/2007/6/21/CustomHistory.html?dayend=20&monthend=7&yearend=2007&req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
London is averaging about 4 degrees below their normal high temperature of 72F this summer.
This is evidence of "warm air?"
Posted by Patrick Henry | July 20, 2007 10:15 AM
According to the AGW crowd, cooling is better than warming, right? Tell that to the East Coasters who will have to run their furnaces a good part of the summer. Why anyone would voluntarily live in a place with such Godforsaken weather is beyond me, but if they don't like it they can move I suppose. Same goes for those who find it too hot where they live. You can't control it, as much as you'd like to pull the wool over our eyes, so adapt or move.
Watch now, next year this polar flow won't exist and it all will be forgotten and in it's place will be the next area where things are slightly out from the norm. Weather patterns change all the time. If you can't handle that then go ahead and let your head explode over it. Leave the rest of us out of your climate control fantasies.
Posted by Chris | July 20, 2007 10:26 AM
Andrew,
I think Dave Eichorn theory is a bit off. On a global scale, when the climate is at a warm optimum, the tropics and their attendent very warm waters transport excess heat energy poleward. As a consequence, the polar source regions slowly warm. This mitigates the formation of frigid artic airmasses. Overall, the polarjet weakens as the temp differential between the poles and the equator weaken In the Northern Hemisphere, prevailing westerlies keep the continents moderate as far as temps go. Another feature theoretically speaking, is the El Nino/La Nina Oscillation. During periods of climatic warmth, El Nino episodes are more intense. During these episodes, even more heat energy is transported poleward. This weakening of midlatitude temperature differential results in fewer mid-latitude storms.
The 2 things to keep in mind is that in a warming climate, polar source regions just do not have enough cold air to flow equatorward during the winter months. For North America, this is the Canadian sub-polar source regions and Greenland; for Europe it is Scandanavia and Sibera. These Continental Polar Air Masses of course are much colder than the Maritime Polar Air Masses that have dominated most of European and North American winters.
The opposite occurs during periods of climatic cooling. The tropics, lacking excessive heat energy, cannot influence polar source regions, at least its infulence is muted. Polar source regions cool as tropical influences retreat equatorward. The polar jet increases as the differential between the poles and the equator strengthen.
Of course, this is a very general outline. The earth still has a heat budget, and the atmosphere must still "deal" with the uneven distrubution of heat energy around the globe -no matter if it is an climate optimum or minimum.
Currently, the trend has been downward since 1998, with the Southern Hemisphere actually cooling, while the Northern Hemisphere has slowed its rate of increase.
Posted by JP | July 20, 2007 10:29 AM
Brett,
Would you consider adding a category for "Causes of Global Warming"? You have an "Effects of Global Warming" category and since you cannot have an effect without a cause I believe it would be useful. The "debate" whether CO2 is the cause or not is not over, in fact with no proof it has not even started. Here are several points.
No evidence has been found that CO2 is causing GW.
The Milankovitch Cycle lines up nicely with GW and GC, this would lead one to believe that Solar Irradiation is a key component.
We know that Solar Irradiance was extremely low during the LIA.
Several Planets and moons are showing signs of warming without the aid of CO2. Solar Irradiance?
NOAA temperature readings contain many errors in collection methods, adjustment methods, and presentation methods so how can we be sure of a fraction of a degree increase when the data is KNOWN to be flawed.
Water vapor is vastly more abundant and a more powerful GHG than CO2.
If any of the above statements is incorrect, please correct me.
Regards,
Steve
Posted by NGW Steve | July 20, 2007 10:35 AM
Sorry, Steve, but the fact that you question how we collect data here on Earth; yet, blindly accept the "data" we have about Mars or other planets is just hilarious.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Methane is a greenhouse gas. Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas. If you'd like to challenge these facts, be my guest, Einstein.
Posted by Mark | July 20, 2007 1:30 PM
"Guess that explains why two winters ago was one of the coldest on record in most of Russia and eastern Europe, and why this summer has been cool across much of Europe."
Hmmmm... I think you should check back what's been going on in Europe:
"A nasty heat wave burned southeastern and some central sections of Europe this week. The heat was especially severe in Romania, where at least seven people died as a result of the temperature. In Bucharest, the capital, consecutive highs of 100, 102 and 104 degrees F were set Tuesday through Thursday. The thermometer spiked to 100 degrees F again Friday." Wooooow! that's cold! grab your scarf, the world is cooling!
Posted by Emiliano | July 20, 2007 1:38 PM
>> Cooling from Global Warming?
Remember the line in Jurassic Park: Man creates dinosaur, dinosaur eats man, women rule the world
Funny, but obviously putting the cart before the horse.
That's what this post reminds me of. The AGW proponents/science deniers have constructed a myth:
Man emits C02
C02 heats atmosphere
Atmosphere heats ocean
Atmosphere heats Greenland Ice
Melting Ice cools ocean
Ocean cools air
In reality:
Sun heats/cools oceans
Sun controls Water Cycle
Sun heats/cools atmosphere
Oceans have a big effect on atmosphere
Water Cycle has a big effect on atmosphere
http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/o_atm.html
http://www.palmod.uni-bremen.de/~mschulz/reprint/Jiang_etal_Geology05.pdf
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html
http://ks.water.usgs.gov/Kansas/waterdata/climate/homepage.ijc.html
Posted by Gunnar | July 20, 2007 1:53 PM
This is a good one. Well you are right this is CYA at it's best. In April when we had the record cold I heard people saying it was because of Global Warming. What a joke. So I guess they have covered their bases so good now it doesn't matter what the weather is it has got to be because of GW. Please....
Posted by Bob | July 20, 2007 2:15 PM
Hmmm....Maybe if GW causes GC it will balance itself all out in the end once it spreads beyond Newfoundland and Labrador. And what does a dog have to do with all this anyway?
LOL
We need to figure out where Timbucktoo is. It seems to be cooling according to the posters. Maybe we should all move there.
Can someone please tell what is not caused by AGW?
Posted by Darren | July 20, 2007 2:19 PM
Europe has been cool this summer? LOL!
Posted by Mark | July 20, 2007 4:00 PM
I don't see much if any cooling from this on a global scale just as some scientists believe that co2 will instigate more cloudiness resulting in cooling. I see co2 and other greehousers causing some increase in cloudiness thereby arresting temperature rise. A new stable warmer regime until way too much ghg accumulates.
Posted by Thor | July 20, 2007 4:07 PM
Mark,
Not just Mars
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html Pluto
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html Mars
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/05/08/neptune-news/ Neptune
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton.html Triton
How much CO2 is in our atmosphere? CH4? N2O? How much H2O in vapor form is there? You don't know and you don't care because you are simply a follower rather than one who has the ability to look up relavent information, do calculations if necessary, and then draw a conclusion yourself.
Posted by NGW Steve | July 20, 2007 4:41 PM
Global warming is becoming the ubiquitous excuse for any issue that arises that is considered slightly outside of expected norms. As such, this is great news for those of us who have run out of excuses to explain away home improvement problems. I am thinking of using global warming to explain why my deck boards are warping prematurely. Am certain that I can find other uses for this convenient excuse.
BTW, I cannot understand why anyone continues to respond to Mark since it is clear that, aside from being sanctimonious, he has no interest in any concepts outside those that comply with his political agenda. It is impossible to have a discussion with an ideologue.
Posted by Buzz | July 20, 2007 9:32 PM
Oiznope and emiliano, you both put out enough manure to fertilize the west coast. It is a cold hard fact that glacial melting and ice melting in antartica or the artic can surely cause local and large scale climate changes. There is a very good chance this article is 100% factual and im sure the meteorologists on this site would agree.. emiliano, the heat the are having in some parts of europe is not abnormal and most of europe and western asia have been very cool this summer, some have been much cooler then normal.
If you two have nothing else to say other then your same old DENY DENY DENY the global warming lie garbage, then please dont say anything..
Posted by mark L | July 20, 2007 10:32 PM
If you two have nothing else to say other then your same old DENY DENY DENY the global warming lie garbage, then please dont say anything.
REPLY: Wouldn't you just like that now??? Not on your life, Bunky! Never! As long as I make sure I abide by Brett's rules, and keep it clean, I continue to be here as long as this Global Warming farce continues! So keep dreaming! The denier is here to stay!
DENY DENY DENY THE GLOBAL WARMING LIE!!!!!
P.S. 52F low temperture for tonight in Pittsburgh, PA, but oh, wait a huge heat wave is coming or the next two weeks. Sure, right, yep, you betcha!.....;-D
Posted by Oiznop | July 21, 2007 12:05 PM
A remarkable thing about the weather in the UK this year is that the highest temperature has been much below normal.
London's maximum this year has been 77F, compared to 95F in 2006, 91 in 2005, 86 in 2004, 98 in 2003, 89 in 2002 and 89 in 2001.