So wearing a solar jacket, cut your lawn with a rolling pin, spreading the religion of AGW, and a live earth concert will change our climate? Lol, next thing you know our toilets will run on ethanol.

And there are 2,500 scientist that agree AGW is real? Hmm, lets see, all of them must be AGW believers! The deniers have no say, not the scientific way!

And he said that I don't believe in AGW because I hate Al Gore. I started to hate him when he started spreading AGW around as if it was PROVEN FACT, which it is not. Its a theory and he never mentions that.

Gore should have made the movie to show both sides of the issue and not have made it a one sided story. And just like a one sided story Gore does say false things in his movie and his charts don't really match up with the ones from The Great Global Warming Swindle. Someone is telling a lie.

"...and his charts don't really match up with the ones from The Great Global Warming Swindle. Someone is telling a lie."

I can answer your question, Darren. The Global Warming Swindle is the lie.

The IPCC report states that the science behind increased annual precipitation is especially robust and very likely to occur in northern Europe, Canada, the northeast USA and the Arctic.

Also, extremes of daily precipitation are likely to incrase in many regions and is considered as very likely in Northern Europe, south Asia, East Asia, Australia nand New Zealand.

While many deniers would like there to be no warming, the fact is that eleven of the last 12 years rank among the 12 warmest years on record since 1850. The probability of this being due to natural variations in the climate is zero.

Also, deniers: keep in mind that it is GLOBAL warming. Don't keep repeating narrow minded arguments or be stubborn with reality.

The GLOBAL AVERAGE temperature is increasing.
Some regions are warming more than others and the warming is mostly at night and during the winter. So, don't expect a lot more heat waves everywhere all the time.

Check out the IPCC report for specific details.

To those of you presenting the views of a small minority masquerading as the majority, with sarcasm and talking points taking the place of observation and learning, don't you ever ask yourself if you are making a mistake which will have consequences for your families? While the English floods are part of La Nina, not global warming, extremes of climate everywhere (floods, heat/cold, wind, drought and concomitant things like overfishing and wars over scarce resources) are coming to your backyard soon. (Though they affects the poor and non-polluting population disproportionately, while we can just turn up the AC, move to higher ground, and pay more.) Give it some thought. Sarcasm and denial are not answers.

So Mark. You think humans are the reason the Earth is warming? Really. Can you explain to me why the other planets and moons of our solar system are going through warming too?

Let's see, could it be the SUN. Could it be forces in our galaxy at work here? Why is it that you keep insisting that our pathetic existence is driving the planet into certain doom? I would agree with you if we are talking about weapons of mass destruction but we are talking about C02.

I don't know about you but I live in the northeast and I don't understand where all this heat and warming temperatures are because it hasn't been here. We hit above 90 four times this years and in the winter we went negative 3 times. Average low in the winter 21. Average high in the summer 83. Extremes happen all the time, our climate is always changing. It's been going through warm and cool period since its creation so why do we think its our fault this time? ITS NOT. Forces greater than our own drive climate change and we CAN'T do anything about it. Mark, why don't you go out and by a solar jacket and mow your lawn with a rolling pin. I dare you.

I forgot to put Darren M on that last comment. It wasn't Darren C.

Sorry about that.

Mark - there are some very credible scientists involved in the Great Global Warming Swindle. Which ones are liars? And which of what they say are the lies? Please give specific examples and proof.

Regarding the recent floods in England - as long as proponents of the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis continue to blame all departures from climactic averages on global warming, they will lose more and more credibility.

Andrew - what evidence does the IPCC provide that the "evidence" behind predictions of increased annual precipitation is especially robust? Are we simply to accept their word for it?

Andrew - the 'global average temperature" (putting aside the issue of whether this is even a useful metric) is NOT increasing. It has been flat for 10 years now. Before this, it was increasing for 20 years or so, before this it was decreasing, etc.

I checked the NOAA records today today if there is any evidence of a warming trend in the US over the last 50 - 90 years. Prior to 1930 there was a warming trend which (according to the IPCC) was due to an increase in solar radiation - so I did not include that time period in the measurements.

Of the 48 states which NOAA has long term records for, 28 of them showed cooling or no statistically significant (greater than 0.05F / decade) warming during a period starting somewhere between 1920 and 1950 - and ending in 2007. The period when AGW supposedly has been spiraling out of control. 20 states did show warming greater than 0.05F per decade (which is still pretty small.)
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/state.html

Two states which have warmed - Arizona and New Mexico - are still cooler than they were in the late 19th century. The 49th state, Alaska has shown no warming over the last 30 years.
http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/ClimTrends/Change/7705Change.html

Plot the NOAA data for yourself. The hockey stick is not valid in the US - which has the best temperature records in the world.

Wow, I have never in my life listened to so much nonsense. The rains in western europe are not even close to any records for that region. The areas of drought throughout the world has been in place for the last 100 yrs and will not change anytime soon.. They are due to large scale climatic changes and not global warming caused from man made CO2. The United states is having one of the coolest summers on record for the last 50 yrs.

If we want to make up data to stop the under devoloped countries from having the AC and modern conveniences we have then we have accomplished it..

Mark, Emiliano and the other gw bandwagon crowd must love these poor countries being exploited for there behalf.. Maybe AL Gore can get some humanitarian votes from this.. Or maybe you all need to go back to school and get past kindergarden.

Chance,

What does your post have to do with science or democracy? Everyone gets a voice in a democracy which is the whole point. The only misrepresentation in this debate are from those who insist "the debate is over." People of that unquestioning ilk have always been the dangerous ones in society, regardless of time or issue.

As far as science goes, your prophecies of doom and gloom are as old as mankind - and if you believe raising taxes or government mandates are going to change any of those things anyway, well you just haven't thought things through very clearly.

Is it August already? I have heard of the international date line, but not month line.
Sent July 29, 2007.

Thanks for catching the date error--I corrected it.
Brett

Shame on you Richard Whiteford! - get a life and go back to school. Any serious earth scientist will tell you man made greenhouse gasses have only a tiny affect on the earth's climate.

As for the ice core data? - closer observations of the ice core records by earth scientists several years ago showed that the temperature rises occurred BEFORE the CO2 kicks. Simple science tells you that CO2 has a negative solubility in the earth's oceans and is released from sea water into the atmosphere AFTER water temperature increases.

Climate change is real and cannot be controlled by anything we do. Human kind should focus on adjusting to accommodate climate change not making money out of deception and bad science.

Hmmm...I was struck by how the trained presenter slipped up on a couple of statements, ie: the comment about this being a partisan issue "who wouldn't want clean air and water?". That's not really the point of the concern over possible AGW is it? That is a concern of enviromentalists. Related yes, a part of climate change no.

Also, I absolutely adore how the party line is spilt forward, "the science is really settled". Why argue about it? Even got a comment about skeptics in there as if they are the unwashed heathen.

Something else is bugging me. He made the comment of the 17,000 pounds of CO2 created by all 700 homes cutting their grass on Sat mornings. I know that we had a thread some time ago discussing how CO2 is created in the process of burning fossil fuels but I have started to wonder about the validity of these statements. Taking him at his word, that equates to 24 pounds per yard per cut. Considering that they probably used about 1/2 gallon per cut, or about 4 pounds, how do you end up with more stuff than you started with? Does it mean that we loose 20 pounds of oxygen in the process?

If that is the case, it would seem to me that the planet should be having even larger problems due to the loss of other atmospehric constituents. Has anyone looked at O2 concentrations? Or maybe, the atmosphere is just so big, it makes no difference in the scheme of things.