1. Tony and the boys are the ones owing the money.
2. Bush is simply gladhanding Al over the con in oil prices.
Wall Street is probably giving him and Al (and BC) their own small developing nation to loot.
3. GW is a sham, then again so is Al and Bush.
I voted for GW (and would again if my only choice was him or kerry or hillary or al) but I'd hold my nose, vote, and then have guilt and remorse.
4. GW is responsible for the elf shortage at the NP, Santa claims as he asks for reimbursement

Why do these people always have their global warming meetings in nice warm places? Why not in -60 degree weather in Greenland?
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=72.58000183,-38.45000076

or in sub-zero weather in Saskatchewan?
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=saskatchewan
They could go look for some poor polar bears which can't find any ice at -20F.

One cold winter and Europe will lose interest. Last non-summer in the UK already killed most Brit's interest. Few people there pay more than lip-service any more.

We are bracing for second consecutive bitter cold, snowy winter in Colorado (which has already started) and you just don't hear much talk about global warming any more. Interest has definitely waned over the last two years. Politicians who try to change their "zebra spots" will not fare so well as they might think.

Do you think Bush is having a change of heart in regards to global warming?

REPLY: hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!...Bush is doing this to make himself look good before exiting after next year. Nothing more. I hope old Ozone Man didn't eat him out of house and home while he was there. Those limousine libbies can sure chow down on that carbon unfriendly beef and noodles.

When the next ice age comes...
are we not due soon?
The GW big business bandits will still want you
to cough up dollars for their programs...
this time to help all the emmigrants from
the ice shield zone.

when are we going see a post about metsul's report on southern hemisphere temps and current SST?. Just came back from there and about no one believes in climate change anymore due to the freezing winter and spring they are experiencing. Ironically Those that do think AGW is happening said its a cooling that occurring

Patrick,

Colorado has been about three to five degrees above average so far this month. Good luck with your "bitter cold, snowy" winter. Everyone knows the world revolves around Colorado, after all.

Yes, Bush has had a reluctant change of heart. When your own panel on climate change agrees with the scientific consensus and IPCC findings, I think it's time to drop your political ax and work with others on finding solutions.

That promise was made by our former Liberal koolaid drinking Prime Minister. Now that we have a Conservative leader (Stephen Harper) who know's this is all crap, don't expect us to bow down to this nonsense.
If there's ever a REAL catastrophe Canada will be there, of that you can be sure.

Why do these people always have their global warming meetings in nice warm places? Why not in -60 degree weather in Greenland?

REPLY: They have, Patrick. Or at least attempeted to. Everytime they tried to, the meetings were CANCELLED DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE COLD!!!!...LOL!!!

One cold winter and Europe will lose interest. Last non-summer in the UK already killed most Brit's interest. Few people there pay more than lip-service any more.

REPLY: As metioned in a previous thread, the citizens of Europe (NOT THE EU ITSELF) are waking up to this garbage (among other things that are being inflicted upon them by their touchee=feelee Governments). Also, the tide has turned politically on the continent, as you are seeing more and more PRO-AMERICAN (I know that will gaul some of you tree huggers) people being elected at the executive level.

We are bracing for second consecutive bitter cold, snowy winter in Colorado (which has already started) and you just don't hear much talk about global warming any more. Interest has definitely waned over the last two years. Politicians who try to change their "zebra spots" will not fare so well as they might think.

REPLY: Exactly why Bush is jumping on the bandwagon. Every last one of you cum-by-ya singers out here have him billed as a buffone, like you did Reagan in the 80s. Bush is craftier than you people think. He's done in a years time. These photo ops and meetings (which I certainly don't agree with) with the global wamring hot air wind bag Al Gore are all just for show.

DENY DENY DENY THE GLOBAL WARMING LIE!!!!!!

Mark,

We are having an early, cold start to winter in Colorado, but if you really want to party in the sun, I suggest Minneapolis at 5F
http://www.accuweather.com/forecast-15day.asp?partner=forecastfox&traveler=0&zipChg=1&zipcode=55401&metric=0

or Barrow, Alaska at -12F
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=71.29,-156.77

or anywhere in Saskatchewan at below zero
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=saskatchewan

Very chilly air invade the northern Plains and Midwest on Wednesday, and the cold shot will be long-lived.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=forecastfox&traveler=0&zipChg=1&article=4

Patrick - do you really think that giving examples of places with cold temperatures is any indication as to the overall trend in global mean temperature anomaly?

Colorado has been about three to five degrees above average so far this month. Good luck with your "bitter cold, snowy" winter. Everyone knows the world revolves around Colorado, after all.

REPLY: Yeah Patrick! How could you be this way, so selfish, when the common good is at stake!........:-DDDDDD......

Nope no change, just Bush giving Al Gore what he wants,publicty stunt is all it adds up to. And everyone knows Al Gore gets what he wants all the time, attention!

Hi Pete,

The ocean represents 70% of the earth's surface, and on average the sea surface temperature is below normal.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/sst/ani-weekly/5.gif

I hear the cry of La Nina coming, but please be prepared to explain what causes La Nina. If climate modelers can't predict or explain ocean oscillations, they should be big enough admit that their knowledge is too immature to be useful.

Patrick Henry,

I'll be out at the end of February for some skiing. I would like to order a minimum of a 60" base at Keystone, Breckinridge, and Vail and 6" to 10" of new powder the last week of February. Thanks.

Mark/Pete D.,

So, it's ok for the AGW zealots to trot out every new record hot temp, iceberg calving, natural disaster, et al. as proof of global warming, but somehow the reverse is a no-no for us evil skeptics?

Instead of throwing a few bucks at these countries because some people feel guilty living in modern countries they should be investing in infrastructure in these places. Build schools to educate the young, provide a means for fresh clean water, invest in green electricity so these developing countries don't add to the problem. There are countless ways to help but it sounds like this money was just a payoff or a way for the "rich" to buy their way into heaven.

As far as Bush invining Gore. Who knows what the motivation was, but I think George should check the silverware drawer and make sure it's all there.

Apparently, Bush isn't the only one having a change of heart on AGW. Check out these poll numbers from REGISTERED DEMOCRATS !

Washington Post-ABC News Poll

"Even among Democratic voters, 'global warming' is less than nothing politically." Washington Post-ABC News Poll which was conducted by telephone between November 14-18, 2007, among a random sample of 500 Iowans likely to vote in the Democratic caucuses (the results have a four percentage point margin of sampling error, and the percentages are rounded, thus giving slightly higher than 100%).

When asked Question 9, 'What is the single most important issue in your choice for the Democratic candidate for president'?, Iraq/War in Iraq 33%, Health Care 26%, Economy/Jobs 10% and Ethics/Honesty/Corruption In Government 5%. Global warming ranked dead last among 16 identified issues with less than 1%.

Obviously, even Iowa LIb's are catching on to the AGW lies ! It seems there may not be any AGW legeslation forthcoming even if Lib's do win the elections next fall !

This is sorta, kinda related to the topic, because it once again exposes Gore as a living large hypocrit.

The Tennessean newspaper today had a one-sentence blurb about Al Gore purchasing a 2008 Lexus hybrid. I visited the dealer's Web site to see just what our Saviour will now be driving. The LS 600, a V-8 luxury sedan, starts at $104,000. As for fuel economy, it gets a whopping 20 mpg in the city and 22 mpg on the highway. The article didn't say whether or not Al traded in his Prius. Maybe his butler will now be driving it.

To see the blurb, go to link below and scroll down to piece about Fred Thompson vs. Al Gore.

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071127/COLUMNIST0501/711270367

Hi Guys,

Yea Bush has given in to the Phantom Menace, he and Al are next going to build a Death Star and take over the Third World. Well the rich countries (EU and Asia) are not paying up? Gee what a surprise. Like I say keep them poor stupid and dependent so you can control them. You know those people. The Eco terrorists need fodder for their ranks. Just like the big DDT scare that was never a problem. Misguided and fanatical movement that has killed millions of the children and people in developing nations. What about the right of these countries to develop. The Eco-geeks want to give them a solar panel instead of a coal or NG powered station. Can anyone hear tell me of a steel plant being power by a solar panel or a mine running on a solar steam shovel or etc etc etc. Please these countries know there is no problem and are now not willing to finance it. Just read also that the EU dudes have screwed up their cap and trade systems, I guess they were doubling and tripling their credits..LOL shell game is right.

"We are having an early, cold start to winter in Colorado"

First of all, let me repeat: Colorado has been about three to five degrees above average this month so far. Do you dispute this? Denver is nearly five degrees above average this month.

Second of all, it's not even winter yet. Meteorological winter starts December 1st. Astronomical winter starts December 21st.

How somebody can conclude that it's going to be a cold, bitter winter when 1) it's been a warm November and 2) it's not even winter yet, is obviously delusional.

You're basing your prediction on a few recent cold days. Unbelievable. I guess that's why you're the forum's ultimate cherry picker.

I must say Bush always seemed like the type of guy to not fall for the AGW scam. He may have messed up a lot but he did one great thing. He never let lies from the AGW crowd get into politics, until recently anyway... I think he just wants to leave office with a GOOD name for himself.

Speaking of AGW I have an assembly in 20 mintues on "How to stop global warming". Let me tell you, everyone will leave that room a little skeptical as long as I am there. This blog has really built up my knowledge on the topic. In fact, I thank Brett, Patrick, other Darren, (all other skeptics), and even the AGW peeps for some great information and entertainment at times. Had some fun times in here, now it's time to test it out... :)

This is a little off topic but I was doing research on the patriot act and Gore has these "words" to say about it:

Former Vice President Al Gore called for the act's repeal, accused the Bush administration of suspending civil liberties, and claimed that the government was using �fear as a political tool to consolidate its power and to escape any accountability for its use.� -

http://encarta.msn.com/sidebar_701713501/Is_the_Patriot_Act_Unconstitutional.html

Does anyone else find his words to be ironic???

Mark, you say: "When your own panel on climate change agrees with the scientific consensus and IPCC findings..."

Scientifically speaking, I am very disturbed by the above statement. Science is not proven right or wrong by who agrees with how many people. Advances in science come about irrespective of the concensus. Gore has done a stellar job of convincing a large portion of the population that cares, that that science is something that gets "settled" by numbers-gets settled by polling scientists and finding out what the majority believe.

It's bad enough when this reasoning gets applied to established sciences, but Climatology is basically in its infancy, and it makes this appeal to consensus even more absurd.

Copernicus was going against the consensus with a heliocentric model of the solar system; almost 100 years later, Galileo was still defending this opinion and going against "consensus".

If the current theories can's account for non-conforming data (which GW science is full of!) like higher CO2 in the past and no tipping points (and sometimes even cooler temps!), proxy error bars you can drive a truck through, mud core samples that correspond with solar activities and have tighter correlations throughout most of modern history than any CO2 based graph, what do clouds do in the environment, then consensus should not (actually should never!) be touted as the way to close the discussion.

When all is said and done, consensus means diddlysquat in science because all it takes is one person to see something differently and ultimately, we all might not see the world the same way again.

Patrick - the trend in ocean temperatures is positive as well. Data from NOAA, GISS, and Hadley all show this. Simply looking at the temperature at one time or place as you are doing says nothing about the overall trend. As for climate models, the predicted trend in global mean ocean temp anomaly is consistent with the observed data. It is the formation of regional features such as the NAO, PDO, etc. that models have problems with. As spatial resolution improves, so will the prediction of regional effects.

Paul - whatever AGW zealots are, they are as wrong to point to individual records and events as proof of global warming as Patrick is without considering the overall trend.

Paul,

The point that Pete D was trying to make is that pointing out individual places with negative temp anomalies is not really useful. On the other hand I'll agree that AGWers trumpeting every individual positive temp anomaly is also not really useful, and can lead to unscientific alarmism. The main point is that individual observations are less important than the global average temperature anomalies. That, along with certain regional average temperature anomalies (the arctic, antarctic etc) are what we should really be focusing on.

Patrick Henry,

Even if someone did use "La Nina" as a refutation of your point about below average ocean temps, I would question their point. Specifically I would lik eo tknow, do El Nino/ La Nina events actually change the heat content of the entire world ocean, or do they just redistribute it? I'd like someone more knowledgable than me to help me out, because I was under the impression that the ENSo oscillation simply changed the way the heat was distriburted in the world oceans. if that is so, then it wouldn't have any net effect on average global temp one way or another.

Hi Pete,

I'm curious how a positive trend leads to an increasing negative anomaly? Like many other AGW beliefs, this is a curious mathematical concept.

cmbclean,

Al Gore said that the 1998 El Nino was caused by global warming. It follows then that the 2007 La Nina must be caused by global cooling.