What it should say is they made it say what it should .They manipulated the data and all to make global waring a big scare and this is the truth,get used to it Al gore,you will lose!

Dr. Hansen has been disseminating wild misinformation, in order to push Al Gore's political agenda.

What right does the White House have to try to control illegal political activities by civil servants? We all know that sea level is going to rise 25 meters this century. Hansen would never make anything up.

http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/news_repository/will-oceans-surge-59-centimetres-this-century-or-25-metres

Two years after the right-wing lost its stranglehold on Congress, the truth is finally beginning to emerge.

The report names names and cites documents. Documents that the White House tried hard to suppress. Documents that the White House tried hard to suppress because they shine a bright spotlight on the lies of this administration.

This report should be required reading for every American who values scientific integrity over political expedience.

Of course our contrarians will jump, spin, wail, gnash their teeth, and erect legions of snow-men.

I predict a strong stench of red-herring will soon permeate this thread, as our contrarians spread their chum and chaff to avoid facing the truth of what Cheney/Bush et al have done.

Keep your eyes on the evidence, folks. The evidence. All those footnotes. All those documents. All those emails. All those witnesses.

The evidence.

Frankly, this doesn't surprise me at all. This is the most ideologically driven and anti-science administration to come along in a long time. Should we really expect more from people that don't 'believe' evolution exists? I just wish they would keep their religio-politics out of the science.

**YAWN**....Did someone say something????

If the Democrats were actually interested in the issue of political manipulation wrt hurricanes and CO2, they would have investigated Chris Landsea's complaint that he was being pushed to report a connection which doesn't exist. Obviously their intent (as always) is to stick it to Bush, which is why Congressional approval ratings are at 20%.

Yes, because no doubt there is a link between global warming and hurricance activity. What's this year's excuse guys, wind shear again? Sounds to me like the White House is just practicing the same kind selective editing that all other news agencies do. I know, the democrats are above all of this, pleeeease.....

Hi Guys,

So Bush manipulated the data huh. What a surprise. He probably was following the lead of many others. So Bush did and Al, NASA, NOAA, Hansen, Mann, IPCC, Weather Channel and the Bali Letter of Concerned Scientist didn't manipulate the data. I am appalled that he would do that and the others never did. He should have followed by example. OK sarcasm off now. LOL pretty funny that they hold Bush to the fire but let the others off. How about somebody here who thinks that CO2 is causing the warming actually show so sort of data to prove that it is doing what they say. From my POV CO2 is doing nothing. No tropospheric warming of any kind which according to the fundamentals of AGW says it should warm by 2-3 times faster than the surface. Stratosphere is warming and it should be cooling. Surface temperatures should be rising but they are flat. Should be more hurricanes but there are less. BOY! I could go on and on and on and on about the ways CO2 AGW theory is wrong but HEY! the models say it is so even though there is no evidence. Hey BT, Mark, Boris and the other AGW crowd I here Junkscience.com is offering $125,000.00 for the first person to prove AGW is real. Any takers? No debate left right? Go get your $125,000.00. LOL

This administration has a long history of allegations that they mess with science and also scientists, and frankly I believe it. I can testify working for a state environmental agency
that it happens all the time. It has happened to me on more than one occasion where senior administration officials "spin" science (lets face it, spinning is lying) and outright did lie to change somethings put forth by biologists they didn't like, because it was contrary to their party line. Incredibly ignorant and an affront to all of us.

If administrations would let their people do their jobs and tell the truth, everything would be fine. Its incredible to me these people never learn that.

All administrations have spokespeople and pick and choose who can speak. They frequently muzzle those who are most in the know for political expedience. Its a fact. One we should all use our votes to change.

And the sad part here is, scientists are
disproving a lot of the global warming hysteria and speaking out, and this throws a shadow over that.

It is becoming increasingly confused when we try to discuss the "climate" in a civilized manner. As partisan reports are published from both sides, we the "consumer" are continuously bombarded with nothing but rhetoric. Alarmists would want to convince us that everything is a result of or cause of global warming. Nothing that occurs is opposite to this "philosophy". Increased heat=AGW; decreased heat=AGW; increased cold=AGW; decreased cold=AGW; Increased active weather=AGW; decreased active weather=AGW etc. etc.
Can anyone explain to me (and I'm sure many many others) at what point does reality point to a CHANGE results? Currently, reality ALWAYS points to global warming.
Logically, with this philosophy, we will never see a change despite action or inaction; which in itself is illogical.
Is anyone qualified enough to say that a series of weather events point to a change in results?
Is anyone qualified enough to say what is the REAL cause of this change in weather events?
Or are we doomed to endure the politics laden with half truths, suppositions and innuendo.

BT, have you seen this?
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c

Rep. Henry Waxman is a Democrat from California who is a true believer in AGW. He believes that the science is settled and that the government must take action immediately to save the planet. You can get a better understanding of his position on AGW simply by reading his public statements at the Hearing of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform - Black Carbon and Global Warming, Oct. 18, 2007. Here is the link:
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=326654&keyword=&phrase=&contain=

Folks, the game is politics, not science and liberal Democrats like Waxman are beating the drum as loudly as possible to convince us all that they have the answers. The stakes are high because so much power over our lives and liberties hangs in the balance.

mc,

no doubt there is a link between global warming and hurricance activity

Your words are the words of a true believer without a spell checker.

Here are the words of NOAA's top hurricane expert.

improved monitoring in recent years is responsible for most, if not all, of the observed trend in increasing frequency of tropical cyclones.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/landsea-eos-may012007.pdf

I am glad we have an administration that can face up to, and tone down the dire fantasies of the AGW crowd. The rhetoric and exaggerations spawned by the alarmists lie outside the realm of science and have shifted into policy-making. I am glad that the administration's policy-makers are taking a commonsense approach, which we sorely need now with the fullscale fearmongering created by the IPCC, Hansen and their partners-in-alarm.

CEQ eliminated these sentences from the draft -

Climate modeling capabilities have improved dramatically in recent years and can be expected to continue to do so. As a result, scientists are now able to model earth system processes and the coupling of those processes on a regional and global scale with increasing precision and reliability.

They were right to remove them. These sentences are gross exagerations.
They were also right to muzzle government activists speculating on how global warming caused Katrina and would continiue to spawn even worse hurricanes.

I was in the Navy during the Clinton presidency. Do you think they muzzled people who opposed the proposed gays in the military policy?

This administration is not only secretive, but they lie all the time. This suppression of information is Communist-like. I'm surprised that the fanatical Right, amidst their paranoia with Communism, would tolerate this type of behavior.

Just shows how hypocritical they are.

How Environmentalists Intend to Rule the World
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/ngo/ron.html

Mon Dec 3, 2007
Rudd signs Kyoto ratification document
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/03/2108345.htm

What a difference 4 days of reality makes!!! A veritable "oh feces" moment.

December 07, 2007 12:00am
PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd last night did an about-face on deep cuts to greenhouse gas emissions, days after Australia's delegation backed the plan at the climate talks in Bali.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22883548-662,00.html

Mark,

Suppression of information? Nothing is ever secret these days and everything leaks.

Hansen is probably the most vocal and unconstrained scientist in the history of the world, yet he imagines himself to be "supressed." The paranoid disconnect on this issue from the left is nothing short of bizarre.

You want to talk about manipulating data? Why is it that anyone still thinks a rise in CO2 causes temperature rise? That is FALSE. A rise in temperature causes a rise in CO2, just do a little research, or if you're especially ambitious, conduct an experiment of your own.

Clearly the push from democrats has had their fictitious CO2/temperature relationship at the forefront of their battle cry. People hear this and accept it as the truth. In Al Gore's movie, the "hockey stick graph" had its time plots all messed up, out of alignment. Don't believe me, again, research. That is truly manipulating data.

Mark and BT,

The suppression of what information? Just who was being suppressed? NOAA? The IPCC? NASA? The JPL? The AMS? Accuweather? The Weather Channel? The NAS? The Oscar Committe? Real Climate? The Nobel Committee? If I remember correctly, Dr Hansen has given over 1480 interviews since 1988 -all of which gave him his soap box. Good grief, the AGW alarmists have gotten the largest, best funded, and best organized group of people in the West to platform thier ideas. You litterally cannot escape them.

And Please, Rep Waxman currently has over 110 ongoing "investigations" -this AGW suppression complaint is just one of them.

The only way this debate is going to be settled
is if both sides of the issue are able to speak freely. Put forth a hypothesis and prove or disprove it. Not consensus building which has no place in science (IPCC)

Editing on either side can be a dangerous game, and although some edits are necessary (like removing rhetoric, personal attacks etc), they should be limited.

The science should speak for itself.

I don't believe that climate change is being driven by people, although i do believe there are at least some localized effects such as urban heat island. But i do believe each side should engage in active scientific discussion and debate. We would be a lot farther along
now if politics and outside influences were minimized.

It will now be easy for the AGW crowd
to begin accusing those opposing it that they
are in bed with the current administration because of this report. And that can once
again shroud the good scientists who are just trying to be scientists. Hopefully people will be able to maintain a clear head and separate
the politics from the science.

Brett, Brett, Brett:

Do you have no shame? That report is nothing more than a Dem political hit job and your title is nothing more than shameless water-totting for the global warming fanatics. Please stick to weather where your predictions are already suspect.

Reply: That's why in the title I have "says report". It is not what I am saying. I did not write the report and study the documents. I also noted that the chairman is a democrat and I have included the White House and Republican response. There is no water-totting here. Read the report and decide for yourself.

it all comes down to people ahting Bush. It's not even about the science jsut people woant to impeach him over something.

Chance Metz, Can you please pay more attention to your spelling, it's consistently bad. Thanks.

Waxman Led Committee Attacks Bush Administration!
Sun Rises in East!
Read all about it!

Dr. William Gray, pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, was equally scornful of the Global Warming hysteria. The same day that Al Gore received his Nobel Peace Prize for his monumental work of science fiction, "An Inconvenient Truth," Dr. Gray told a crowd of meteorology students and professional meteorologists the global warming theory is "ridiculous." "We're brainwashing our children," Dr. Gray said. "They're going to the Gore movie and being fed all this. It's ridiculous." Dr. Gray poked holes in alarmists' claims that hurricanes are increasing because of the climate change, citing statistics showing there were 101 hurricanes from 1900 to 1949 during a period of cool temperatures and 83 from 1957 to 2006 when the earth was warmer. "The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures," he said. Dr. Gray expressed disappointment that his fellow scientists have failed to speak against something they know is wrong. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out." Who the heck would believe Henry Waxmen? The guy is a liberal hack. Just another liberal hatchet job on the real world.

Kate,

Good to see that the Australian PM had the brains to back down when faced with reality, but I doubt Hillary, Obama or the Dems running the Congress do.

fanatical Right, amidst their paranoia with Communism

Let's see now, communism is estimated to have slaughtered 100 million people in the 20th century and run eastern Europe as an enormous prison camp but to be philosophically opposed to it is to be paranoid.

You, pal, are dillusional.