Yep. And we are opening Earth Day presents, and singing Earth Day carols, and dancing around the Earth Day tree (which I hugged earlier this morning). And for our Earth Day dinner, we are having curd, bark and crispy crunchy pine cones!

WHAT A CROCK!!!!!

In addition to helping the environment, growing some of your own food will save you money, especially with the recent, steady increase of our food costs from the supermarket.

Amusing how ALL logical/responsible actions/solutions are now directly related to climate change ! ! Something that was always true and will probably always will be, has now been claimed by alarmists to find real solutions for their cause.

Ahhhh yesssss ..........and that's climate change rather than AGW.

Anyone can prove that the climate is changing .....duhhh ......always has, always will ! AGW seems to be getting more and more difficult to sell !

It is becoming more and more apparent that alarmists are beginning to rely on REAL environmental issues, such as fighting pollution and promoting responsible resource management, instead of concentrating on a symptom (CO2/regional warming) instead of the cause (pollution).

Of course, it's hard to blame anyone else than the polluter for pollution. CO2 on the other hand is everyone's fault ! ! Which one do you think governments/corporations prefer?

A victory garden is a great idea..reminds me of the decade of the 1940`s when we were all encouraged to do the same...and if you inject some carbon dioxide among your plants now and then your yield will improve considerably.

After the first Earth Day the New York Times predicted "intolerable deterioration and possible extinction" for the human race as the result of pollution. Harvard biologist George Wald predicted that unless we took immediate action "civilization will end within 15 to 30 years," and environmental doomsayer Paul Ehrlich predicted that four billion people--including 65 million American--would perish from famine in the 1980s.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110008416

The first Earth Day was celebrated on April 22, 1970, amidst hysteria about the dangers of a new ice age. The media had been spreading warnings of a cooling period since the 1950s, but those alarms grew louder in the 1970s.

Three months before, on January 11, The Washington Post told readers to "get a good grip on your long johns, cold weather haters - the worst may be yet to come," in an article titled "Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age." The article quoted climatologist Reid Bryson, who said "there's no relief in sight" about the cooling trend.

Journalists took the threat of another ice age seriously. Fortune magazine actually won a "Science Writing Award" from the American Institute of Physics for its own analysis of the danger. "As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists have concluded that it is very bad news indeed," Fortune announced in February 1974.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice.asp

I thought the article had some good points. I was trying to say the same thing in a previous thread.

Coming from a family that farms, I understand the importance of energy conservation and self-sufficiency. Granted, growing a garden is not for everyone, but as the article states, even a small garden can help. Not only would you be saving the fuel used to drive to Wal-Mart/Costco/Safeway, you would have the satisfaction of eating food that you grew yourself.

It's my opinion, that in a world where so many people are telling us what we can and can't do, a little independence and self-sufficiency would be a good thing.

Which Earth Day are we supposed to observe? There's the one promoted through earthday.gov, which has a photo of George and Laura Bush and suggests we celebrate all that's good about the earth and how we can continue protecting the environment. Something tells me the environmental extremists don't care for this version.
Then there's earthday.net. It's all pretty and everything, but it basically spells out the doom and gloom we've caused and what rotten stewards we've been. It suggests we contact our government leaders to "do something" about climate change (i.e. create new taxes and regulations).
Another Earth Day will soon pass, and I'm still confused on how to celebrate.

"Vendors and presenters from various eco-friendly groups crammed into a lone tent in Hawrelak Park after a blizzard forced them to abandon their original locations."

"We especially want to encourage young people in school to join us. It's the youth that have the power to make real change."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/04/21/5343616-sun.html

"The flakes that fell across the Vancouver region Friday night and Saturday represent the latest snowfall ever on record."

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=be4b2831-e1ca-4d91-a8d0-426ce36fe059

Brett,

Good idea. Grow a bigger garden. You will need it to help offset the rising costs and shortage of food in the near future. Put up a greenhouse, if you can, to extend the season and learn to can and preserve.

Also, find a source of fresh water that does not come from the city's infrastructure. You don't want to depend on something that may shut down more than periodically, due to cost restraints.

Save money by not going crazy with all the new fangled gardening power tools, accessories and pretty things that gardening magazines say you need to have so it looks like their perfect pictures. Our grandparents did very well without them.

My parents always had a half acre grocery store in the back yard, with a row of McIntosh apple trees to boot. They comfortably fed a family of 9 and had enough left over for the neighbours.

Your garden may become your family's biggest asset, soon.

Hmmmm. Earth Day celebration in Edmonton was a complete and utter failure.
In the Blizzard and -15 weather conditions.

Here is another take on the phenonemon.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31823.html

Excerpt
Earth Day is a Holiday for Liars
April 21, 2008 10:00 AM EST

by Alan Caruba

Earth Day is a holiday for liars. I have followed the apocalyptic claims and the legislated mandates of the environmental movement since the 1970s and their single unifying factor has been the lies told to achieve various elements the Green agenda.

Great..
Just Great...
Now Wikipedia is controlled by AGW zealots.

So much for free unbiased information.
And on Earth day no less.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268&p=1

Happy Earth Day to everyone, even to the anti-environment crowd who frequent this blog.

Gary, theconservativevoice.com? Ha. Thanks for confirming what it's really about for you, which is promoting your political agenda and preserving the status quo.

I am old enough to remember the first Earth Day. I it was and is a great idea. I like clean air, water and land. Since 1970 a lot of good work has been done and the earth is definitely cleaner (at least in the US northeast) than it was 40 years ago.
I have also seen those rules and regulations proliferate ad nauseum into confusing nonsense by those with political agendas and no science background.
I still want and believe in clean air and water laws but the laws have to be based on science, not what looks good in a 30 second news story or what sounds nice to the uneducated masses without looking at the consequences of their actions.
How about we concentrate on cleaning up the major metropolitan cities, treating their raw sewage discharges, have safe and potable water for all and get accurate land temperatures instead of demanding I go along with the unproven dogma of AGW?
Read, learn, ask questions and think for your self.

Gary,

I'm not surprised. Here's the main reason. This fellow owns MySpace and most of the communications on the planet and his good buddy Al Gore is a board member of Google. A lot of seemingly intelligent AGWers are caught up, hook, line and sinker in this.

Free speach is now a thing of the past.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/14/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_murdoch.fortune/index.htm

Mark,
The truth is the truth no matter what side it is from. If somebody in Wikipedia is falsifying information you should be screaming at Wikipedia instead of blaming others for pointing out the dishonesty of their editors.
Is seems as if you believe that your political and social agenda is far more important than the truth.
Hint:
Sleeping at night is a whole lot easier especially as you grow older and realize that honor and honesty is something you have complete personal control over and can be proud of.

the anti-environment crowd

Hi Mark,

By your definition, a "pro-environment" individual is someone who supports nuclear proliferation and biofuels - i.e. an hysterical and irrational belief system which assumes that anyone who doesn't think the same way is evil.

BTW - The words conservative and conservation come from the same root.

Mark:

We are not "anti-environment" - we are anti-semireligious stupidity. Nobody is for pollution, wanton destruction of eco-systems, etc. Get that? We are for legitimate science and against damaging regulations and taxes that won't control Mother Earth but will bring hardship to vast numbers of people. Please put down your glass of cool-aid and take a long, hard look at reality.

I bet the earth day crowd isnt that happy that it fell this year on the same day as the Pennsylvania primary. They wont be getting the media attention they normally would.

I feel we have made enormous progress on cleaning the environment. Anyone else recall the ad many years ago with the crying Indian when he saw people throwing trash from cars on the highways? I havent seen anyone throw litter from their cars in many years....Now the question is, is CO2 really a pollutant? The supreme court thinks so. I'm not so sure.

"Happy Earth Day to everyone, even to the anti-environment crowd who frequent this blog."

Anybody that is commenting on this site is most certainly NOT anit-evironment because frankly MARK most folks have a lot more to do with their time than research information concerning global warming. I assure that the youth generation is NOT concerned with global warming at all except to join the commercialization of the word "green".

Back in the 70s when the experts were calling for climate change that would result in freezing us to death, I took it all very, very seriously. When it all started I would have been about 19 and I made a commitment to only have one child for fear of over-populating the world. Does anybody remember the push for zero population growth? At that time I also joined Greenpeace to support any and all efforts to protect our planet the humans and animals that lived on this planet.

I came from a small town in NJ where everybody I knew had a garden. It was always fun to see different gardens and what was working and not. I have always planted a garden. When I lived in the Carolinas, I had a neighbor that was 93 and even she came over frequently to help me weed and pick veggies.

I was very active for a few years to help rid heavy pollutants in the streams that came from textile plants and furniture manufacturers. It was a crusade. It was at that time I learned a lot about waste treatment plants and the use of chlorine which is touted still today as being safe and just wonderful.

Now if Mark wants to point fingers and call folks anit-environmental he should have been following me around trying to convince corporations that throwing dye and lacquer into rivers was not such a hot idea. All those bigwigs proclaimed to be environmentalists because they liked to fish and canoe. NOT.

I can't tell you how many bags of garbage I have picked up over the years for various organizations only to see the trash pile up the next week. I am still weekly picking up huge amounts of garbage that litters our town because the YOUTH is not the least bit interested in housekeeping. However they will be the first people to attend Earth Day celebrations because it is now the thing to do. True, maybe something will rub off on them, but I won't hold my breath.

There is an old saying...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The Green movement is just another commercial scam to start another industry. I no longer belong to Greenpeace. I see I was about the only one that supported Zero Population Growth. I see no signs of housekeeping in the US improving and even the Green movement is not out in force demanding people treat the environment with respect.

Instead of addressing basic problems with easy solutions as a first step, we have instead picked on CO2 as the lone culprit and painted all of us as guilty humans with the same paintbrush.

When you have the loony left and the loony right joining forces to combat global change, any sane person knows in their heart that greed is involved. Activists that really care and are true to their effort DO NOT become instant millionaires by exploiting a potential problem. The moment that money changes hands and somebody benefits from a potential global disaster all credibility flies out the window.

The term anti enviroment crowd is funny because so many fail to realize what makes the world turn, you complain about loggers but yet you write/wipe on paper, build a house and most loggers take care of what makes them money and do replant and normally the process of natural reforestation does it on its own, call hunters/fisherman evil and they are the one who put back, protect, and preserve for the sake of what they do, because they love it and then you'll have a liberal city man come in buy groung and build a million dollar house he lives in for 2 days a year and yells protect the forest, stop hunting, no cutting down trees. He fails to realize he just did most of those things. Point is the without us you people could see how much your life would be different and not for the better. You would not have a house, electric, clean rivers, healthy wildlife. THINK!

On a lighter note it is great to plant a garden and gather you own fresh produce and a few years ago I started all our plants in a cheap makeshift greenhouse that consist of 2 10' 6x6's and some con do it, just drill holes in the 6x6's the size of the con do it and arch it to the other side, do this every couple of feet, cover with clear plastic and put in a little wood stove and "wa la" a greenhouse just remember to vent it on sunny days or you will cook your plants.

looks like the main australian newspaper has decided to commit to skepticism before its too late... this is a major change in its AGW position http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

Looks like our fellow anti-environment bloggers object to the term which describes them perfectly.

Sorry, kids, but the vast majority of deniers on this blog are cut from the same cloth as those who have objected to all the environmental regulations enacted over the past thirty years -- regulations which, I might add, have done a great deal to improve our environment.

"We are for legitimate science and against damaging regulations and taxes that won't control Mother Earth but will bring hardship to vast numbers of people."

Those "damaging" regulations and taxes have been quite successful at improving our environment. So Aviator, give us an example of where the free market -- and the free market ALONE -- has fixed an environmental issue. The closest thing I can think of is the cap-and-trade program to reduce acid rain, but even that action was led by the government. Let's hear it, Aviator. I'm waiting.

"BTW - The words conservative and conservation come from the same root."

Really? You might want to tell your idol, Dick Cheney, about that fact then. He once said conservation was a matter of public virtue, but wasn't good energy policy. So much for being a conservative, eh?

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule".

H.L. Mencken

In 1970 environmentalists thought zero population growth was essential. What happened? It is a better solution for pollution control than what they are pushing today.

PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION!

Help Stop The Al Gore Tax! Petition Opposing Climate Alarmism And The $1.2 Trillion Global Warming Tax.

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http://www.grassfire.org/106/petition.asp?PID=16245502

Thank you.

Once again, the contrarian fear-mongers run the "ice-age lie" up the flagpole. Once again, the lie is dutifully repeated.

No peer-reviewed publications "predicted" an imminent ice-age. This whole charade is just another retread of this lie that folks like PH have been recirculating for years now.

If another ice-age is coming, we'd better start storing up that CO2 since we might need it sooner or later :-)

It's strange the AGW folks don't also believe in Limits to Growth and the Population Bomb. If there's too much human-made CO2, it couldn't be because there are too many humans...

A new theory that WWI, WWII and The Trojan War were caused by global warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/23/eaclimate123.xml

The sad thing is what damage the more radical "Greens" have done to the environmental movement through their use of extreme statements, actions, and demands.

Talk is cheap. Before telling others how to live, one should try out the lifestyle they are advocating. Just try to grow your own food, using hand tools and no oil and no gas-guzzling tractors or rotor tillers. Don't even use a mule to pull a plow, for the mule's manure produces methane.

I've actually tried it, when young and strong, but I never could stick with the vegetarian diet. Toil burns off a lot of calories, and I found myself craving meat. Corn and beans may be a healthy and spiritual diet, but in most cultures based on such sustenance men are closer to five feet tall than six feet tall. I burned off roughly 4000 calories a day, and tended to break my self-imposed rules, hypocritically sneaking home for some of Mom's butter-and-meat-loaded cooking whenever I could.

Practicing what you preach makes you much more respectful towards so-called "primitive" people who actually feed their own families through toil, and also more respectful of our own culture, which feeds so many millions who seldom even touch a plant or step outside. It also gives you respect for growing things, for sunshine and rain, for floods and droughts and hail and the problem of bugs. The fact we have food all winter, and don't need to fast as spring approaches, no longer is taken for granted.

The most radical "Greens" would foam at the mouth less, and display more respect, if campuses included more gardens and gardening and gratitude.

While trying to make a living as a farmer can make you crazy, a small garden can make you sane. Most people would feel better if they grew a single tomato plant, a few heads of lettuce, and a cucumber vine, and once a year sat down to a home-grown salad. Self-reliance is a wonderful thing.

Climate change is real in Asia

China has 30,000 scientists devoted to weather modification

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9019726

Mark,

Those "damaging" regulations and taxes have been quite successful at improving our environment.

Really?
Here is a true story for you about regulations. In the 80’s NJ had every business in NJ look at the items they carried, manufactured or used. They had a list of dangerous chemicals that whose quantities had to be reported to the state and local fire department on a yearly basis. (actually a good idea) Some activist with absolutely no expertise in chemistry yet working for the NJ Dept. of Environmental Protection read a book saying acetic acid was dangerous. That was a call for action and the DEP through administrative law mandated that all products containing acetic acid, no matter what the concentration, was had to be inventoried and labeled as dangerous.
I called the DEP and ask if they were serious about this new regulation. I was asked if I knew just how dangerous that chemical was and how dare I question their rules. I then ask how they wanted the dietary department to label as “hazardous” the ketchup, mustard, sauerkraut, corned beef and Italian dressing when it was served to the patients in the hospital. The DEP ask why would I do such a stupid thing as those items are food. I replied with,
“Madam, in case you didn’t know another name for dilute acetic acid is VINEGAR. Acetic acid is found in all those items!”
When told I was being obtuse I told them their rules are quite specific, in that any concentration or form of acetic acid in the workplace had to be labeled. I was just wanted to follow the wishes of the NJ DEP.
Things got more bizarre as I then asked how to label and quantify as required by the new rules the methane being produced and released by employee’s natural digestive process during the day.
However the best part was when I inquired about the expertise of the person who wrote the rules. I was told that she was a doctor.
I asked, “In what field, Pharmacy, Chemistry?.”
After a moment of silence she said her doctorate was in English literature and had taken no science courses during her studies but was there to help save NJ from the evils of unnatural chemicals polluting the land water and citizens of this great state.

So please don’t be so na�ve as to think the government and the bureaucrats in power have any idea what they are doing. It is up to the individual citizen to question and expect answers that make sense.
For the rest read, learn and think for yourselves. Stupid is stupid even if it comes from a government official.

BT

Perhaps you should go back and look at the posts. I decided to search the page for the word "imminent." No one on here mentioned an ice-age was "imminent" except YOU. You inserted that lie. Can you please cite where someone on here mentioned a journal article in which a scientist claimed we were headed to an "imminent ice age?"

Mark;

You've got an answer from Ted. Also, we might throw in some other ill-founded regulations (you were trying to change the subject with your "free market" criticism but that is typical), so I will hark back to DDT, Freon and I can't be bothered going further since you don't believe anything other than socialism as a cure to the evils of capitalism anyway. Please crawl back to the Marxist paradise - which failed miserably, by the way, especially as regards the environment.

Hi BT,

The point is that the models aren't working. Temperatures are not increasing as predicted.

Nice try at changing the subject though.

Hmm... the garden will only serve to feed the deer who freeload here. Maybe I should just eat the deer.

ted,

Your anecdote adds nothing to this discussion nor does it prove anything, other than perhaps being a nice story to tell your grandkids someday. Perhaps you can answer the question I posed to Aviator, since he obviously cannot answer it.

Excellent post, Ted! Way to stick it to them. The scariest words ever uttered: "Hi. I am from the Government and I'm here to help."

DENY DENY DENY THE GLO-BULL WARMING LIE!!!!!!

Mark,

Just because someone doesn't support a regulation doesn't mean that person is anti-environment. It just means that person is "anti- that regulation".

Anti-environment and disagreeing with potential laws are not mutually exclusive.

"Once again, the contrarian fear-mongers run the "ice-age lie" up the flagpole. Once again, the lie is dutifully repeated."

September 28, 1924, Sunday

MACMILLAN REPORTS SIGNS OF NEW ICE AGE; Explorer Brings Word of Unusual Movements of Greenland Glaciers -- Coal Deposits Show Polar Climate Was Once Tropical.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0C14FB3C5B12738DDDA10A94D1405B848EF1D3&scp=10&sq=glaciers&st=p

Frozen Key To Our Climate; The world's ice masses may be ushering in a fifth Ice Age. Frozen Key To Our Climate

December 7, 1958, Sunday by LEONARD ENGEL

SEVERAL thousand scientists of many nations have recently been climbing mountains, digging tunnels in glaciers, journeying to the Antarctic, camping on floating Arctic ice. Their object has been to solve a fascinating riddle: what is happening to the world's ice?

U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic

July 18, 1970, Saturday, By WALTER SULLIVAN

The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large-scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11640

Mark,

Your myopic view of the planet, its systems and government's ham handed role in curing us from ourselves is breathtaking.

Take a read here for some perspective:

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB120882720657033391.html

I grew up in a farming community and live on a pretty good sized piece of land in a rural area now. I find the save-the-earth crowd to be well-intentioned, but very, very annoying. They are mostly middle to upper class urbanites who do a lot of talking and imagine nature to be very different than it really is.

I do, however, support their efforts to protect the environment when they occasionally hit on an issue with real substance. Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

DC

Todd,

I believe that was BT's point. If I am summarizing correctly, he's saying there were no predictions of an imminent ice age, back in the 1970s.

No peer-reviewed publications "predicted" an imminent ice-age.

No peer reviewed publications have ever shown proof that CO2 causes GW. ZERO. NONE.

What's your point?

BT,

I doubt another ice age is imminent but yet again you misrepresent what happened in the 1970s as far as the perception that ordinary people were given.

Remember there was no internet then, ordinary folks were as likely to come across "peer reviewed papers" as they were "computers" ie, very rarely. (Were you alive then?)

But the predominance of the message put across by the media at the time was that global cooling was a REAL threat - and people didn't have the opportunity we have now to find things out for themselves.

Mark,
Conserative and conservation come from the same root, that is correct. You understand some things are put on earth to use not just look at. You manage them, thats what a conserative does, manage not control. Do you also know what liberal means , it means lie, that is correct. You lie to have everyone believe you and the only ones that believe are other liberals and you have them believe lies and its about everything. Just a guess but I'm thinking you live in a city and really don't know where everything on earth comes from and the process it takes to get there.

Josh, for your information here are the official definitions of conservative and liberal.........I did not see the lie part.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

Apologies to you Brett, but I guess I could have stated that is what most liberals do, but they did have lacking moral restraint so that was close, here in say 25-100 years when the liberal hoax does not pan out, perhaps Mr.Webster will add that as a definition for liberalism. Liberalism is full of lies, false promises, scare tactics and pretending to be someone your not and take credit for the good and put off the blame for the bad. That would be in the Josh dictionary and probably a few others. The dictionary of the Conservative. But Mark likes the government and as Ronald Reagan said to a Republican everyday is the 4th of July and to a democrat everyday is April 15th. Global Warming and politics, politics and global warming, they go together like 2 peas in a pod. See ya, going to go dig some ramps for supper, a Appalachian delicacy.

Mark,
I would have left your challenge unanswered but I realized that your sense of superiority over us common folks needs redress.

“Perhaps you can answer the question I posed to Aviator,
The Question:
So Aviator, give us an example of where the free market -- and the free market ALONE --has fixed an environmental issue.”

Mark, your education must have included way too much time listening to political science majors or the chardonnay swilling elitists who offer simplistic nonsense to those willing to believe anything to make themselves feel superior.
I will give you one example of many which shows the free market system helped solve an environmental problem by itself.
The man wrote an article in The Need of Scientific Agriculture in the South: "The virgin fertility of our soils and the vast amount of unskilled labor have been more of a curse than a blessing to agriculture. This exhaustive system for cultivation, the destruction of forest, the rapid and almost constant decomposition of organic matter, have made our agricultural problem one requiring more brains than of the North, East or West."
(Hey that sounds like an environmental disaster)
By 1896 “King Cotton” was in trouble. The constant growing of this commodity in the fields had depleted the soil in the deep south so much that production decreased to the point of economic disaster. It was simple. The land was in ruin as it’s productivity was gone. It was an environmental disaster.
One man came up with the idea of planting legumes to increase the soils productivity. This man had the perfect crop (eventually found many more) and extolled its virtues to those who would listen. Unfortunately, there was no real use for this crop other than for minor food consumption. There was no market for the crop and until that happened nobody would plant the crop. The man who wrote the article went into the laboratory and decided to find uses for the product. When he did many farmers began planting these legumes because the free market produced a demand for the product.
The man was George Washington Carver (1864-1943). Probably the greatest botanist this country has ever produced. (He was a hell of a chemist too)
“Carver's work resulted in the creation of 325 products from peanuts, more than 100 products from sweet potatoes and hundreds more from a dozen other plants native to the South. These products contributed to rural economic improvement by offering alternative crops to cotton that were beneficial for the farmers and for the land.”
SO mark there is the ONE story where the FREE MARKET solved an environmental disaster without all those rules and regulations from bureaucratic imbeciles or “green movements” shouting the end of the world and doing nothing but asking for donations to get the word out.
There are others but even you get the idea. The free market systems works and better than any other system.
BTW: next time you are at one of these situations where you hear this nonsense being spewed to the gullible. Impress them with your latin and tell them:
“Stultus est sicut stultus facit”

Oh that’s a quote from “Forest Gump” It means “stupid is as stupid does”

Liberalism = A system of wealth distribution through government control.

Communism = A system of goverment in which the state plans and controls the economy.

Capitalism = A system in which developement is proportionate to the accumiliation and reinvestment of profits in a free market.

The Puritans tried communism during the developing years of our country. They quickly found that capitalism was a better way to achieve FAIR prosperity. It has been our economic system ever since.

How much higher would our GDP be if everyone put in an honest days work?

I know a few socialists. They are lazy (seriously)and want goverment handouts for everything. I'm all for helping those in need though government and private charities. But if your arms and legs work just like mine, don't expect me to give you what I worked my whole life to achieve. This way of life depresses an economy and effects me. The Puritans recognized this. Get off your butts work for it, like the rest of us.

Ever hear of the government handout called earned income credit(EIC)? It has an 80% fraud rate. But the coorperations that provide jobs and wealth in this country are the dishonest ones? Give me a break.

Reply: And how does this relate to earth day?

"And how does this relate to earth day?"

OK, sorry it doesn't. I saw Mark and Josh discussing and you interjected. Just wanted to throw in my off topic 2 cents. Thanks for posting it...I'll move on.

Back to Earth Day...

Then: we should reduce pollution, avoid wasteful consumption, etc. I can do these things because they are all in my own interest. They save money and make the world a better place to live.

Now: up the ante. I'm supposed to make big sacrifices, supposedly for the good of the polar bears and people 100 years from now. This is no longer in my own best interest. Especially if I see the oil I painfully saved being wasted by some super-rich guy who has money to burn. When it comes to man versus wildlife, man always wins. We don't show much concern for the people in third world countries either, so the polar bears don't need to take it personally. As for 100 years from now, nuclear war (and winter) are just as big a threat as global warming.

Sorry again also, Should have stuck to the subject but I just couldn't help myself. Next time I read something stupid that irratates me I'll count to 10, take a deep breath and hope they get help. Mark, well nevermind. Happy post earthday!