And the lunacy continues.

Thursday, May (again I emphasize MAY--a/k/a SPRINGTIME) 22, 2008...7:12 AM EDT...Current temperature in Western PA -- 48 DEGREES F

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLO-BULL WARMING!!!!!!

a footnote: I see on the lastest 5 day that they already brought down the predicted high for Saturday by a degree. Can't wait to see what it will be tomorrow with that "big weekend warmup" for the Northeast (and yes that is sarcasm). Tell that "Australian of the Year" to go blow sulfer up his (___________)!!!!!

In case you haven't noticed, I am in a real mood this morning, and not just because of this crappy weather!.......

and al gore won the noble peace prize, so what does that tell you? the biggest scam going, global warming, what a joke.

Oh, by the by. Here's a little tid bit for our Polar Bear huggers on this board:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357065,00.html

YOU GO, ALASKA! AND DON'T HOLD BACK!

DENY DENY DENY THE GLO-BULL WARMING LIE!!!!!!!

Can you say "chemtrails"? ;-)

Looks to me like a classic case of the cure being worse than the disease.
IF the disease actually exists, what is going to be the result of all that sulphur? I seem to recall that there is a big stink being made over burning high sulphur coal. Now this guy wants to deliberately inject it into the atmosphere?
Can anybody say "snake oil salesman"?

and the AGW crowd says the Deniers are flakes?

Great post Brett! Dr. Flannery, a paleontologist, is out of his depth discussing AGW. He is a radical who is cashing in on AGW alarmism by writing books and giving lectures filled with falsehoods and scare tactics. He promotes biofuels as a solution and wants to "solve" the non-existant climate warming "problem" by filling the atmosphere with sulfur. Yikes!

Anyone who believes this rubbish deserves to be fleeced.

Thanks for posting this yet another bad idea from the AGW alarmist camp. This proposal of delivering sulfer gasses to the atmosphere via jet trails! Hey, isn't that quite similar to the observations of what NASA calls the phenomena of "persistant contrails" I have been whining about? I can't make a link to the site, yahoo search "nasa contrail education".
Also significant is the Weather Modification Act of 2007 which athorizes geo-engineering for experimental and "other" purposes with regard to storm mitigation and weather modification. It should be noted that Flannery admits the unknown harm that may result from such alteration of the sky is a risk we must take because of the Global Warming crisis we are facing! Well It has been a cold wet still have to run my wood stove spring here 90 miles north of NYC. Brrrr.

Tim Flannery has lost the plot. He is not a meteorologist or even a "climatologist" I dont know how anybody could give him the light of day attention span...a really dangerous fellow and if he was allowed to fiddle with our atmosphere...who knows what would happen. I thought Volcanoes did this work for us LOL
On another subject. Some serious weather men are no longer prepared to quote NASAGISS for temperature data due to blatant un-reliability.
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/a-review-of-the-major-global-temperature-metrics-for-april-2008/
Recommend you do same or at least update your main page NASAGISS tem map to reflect current conditions (it goes to 2004?)

My prediction is no matter what adaptation, adoption and modification we undertake it will only be after the last dog dies. We are programmed to respond to clear and immediate threats and not to less clear and immediate scientific studies. I think we will need to feel the pain very directly before we are able as a civilization to see clearly and mobilize meaningfully to address climate change.

This is truly scary stuff. It is one thing to lose our forutnes stopping something we are doing and quite another trying to actively impact the extremely complicated system that keeps us all alive. DON't SCREW with MOTHER NATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

my prediction is as scientific evidence mounts against it and the cash drys up from government pontificated funds , AGW alarmists, like the "2007 Dodo bird of the year" recipient, will become even more dire and outlandish in their claims...as the pain of their farce hits home, dogs and cats will begin living together in sulfur induced yellow skies, while mass hysteria engulfs mind-numbed human robots...if only gregory peck was around to save the day...have a nice day, bros!

And when the sulfur mixes with water vapor, combines and falls down as sulfuric acid ???????
A paleontologist telling us what the earth’s climate now needs? Oh yeah. That’s like having Dr. Hansen (an astro-physicist turned climatology guru and statistician) telling us how to treat someone in a thyroid storm (thyrotoxic crisis). (They are both weather aren’t they?)
When is someone going to tell a paleontologist that if they get their ancient weather wrong it will do no harm because it affects nobody? When they offer suggestions outside their realm of expertise (fantasizing about past climates) that are clearly fraught with danger, definitely unknown and probably unintended consequences it is time to stop and ask yourself, “What asylum did he escape from?”
This is just a plain stupid and dangerous idea postulated by a man who has spent his whole life guessing about what the weather was like millions of years ago. He’s an expert in a field because it is an esoteric field with few devotees who enjoy arguing over “peer reviewed” papers about “maybe’s or possibly’s” based on what they think happened. There is no definitive proof just theory and conjecture. The problem is they can never be proven wrong or right. That makes them extremely dangerous as they begin to think they really know what happened and have the answers. Translate that limited knowledge base into a pseudo-expertise thinking they can actually pontificate about taking real life actions? Utter insanity. This guy has no expertise or scientific basis to make claims like this.
Maybe better he treat a thyroid storm first and see what happens to a single person when you don’t know what you are doing before you treat a whole planet when you don’t know what you are talking about.
About the only solution from these people I haven’t read yet is for one of these soothsayers to demand a lottery for murder on a massive scale in order to prevent worldwide catastrophe.
If he is Australia’s leading expert on AGW there is no science and we are in serious trouble. It’s like Clint Eastwood once said in a movie, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
Obviously some don’t!
First do no harm. Read, learn and think for yourself.

"Explanations exist: they have existed for all times, for there is always an easy solution to every problem � neat, plausible and wrong."

HL Mencken (1917)

He seems to have difficulty distinguishing between "climate" and "climate hysteria."

The experts can't make up their mind if it is warming or cooling and if hurricanes are increasing or decreasing. One pole is losing ice and the other is gaining it even faster.

With the Obama-Gore train arriving at the station, we can expect to see some incredibly stupid and dangerous things going on the next few years. This will probably be one of them.

Comedy Central.....um...how appropriate......how appropriate...

Interesting link: The Church of Green
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg20-2008may20,0,3305601.column

excerpt: "Environmentalism's most renewable resources are fear, guilt and moral bullying. Its worldview casts man as a sinful creature who, through the pursuit of forbidden knowledge, abandoned our Edenic past. John Muir, who laid the philosophical foundations of modern environmentalism, described humans as "selfish, conceited creatures." Salvation comes from shedding our sins, rejecting our addictions (to oil, consumerism, etc.) and demonstrating through deeds an all-encompassing love of Mother Earth. Quoth Al Gore: "The climate crisis is not a political issue; it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity."

I heard Gore on NPR the other day. He was asked what he made of evangelical pastor Joseph Hagee's absurd comment that Hurricane Katrina was God's wrath for New Orleans' sexual depravity. Naturally, Gore chuckled at such backwardness. But then the Nobel laureate went on to blame Katrina on man's energy sinfulness. It struck me that the two men were not so different. If only canoodling residents of the Big Easy had adhered to "The Greenpeace Guide to Environmentally Friendly Sex."

Environmentalists are keen to insist that their movement is a secular one. But using the word "secular" no more makes you secular than using the word "Christian" automatically means you behave like a Christian. Pioneering green lawyer Joseph Sax, for example, describes environmentalists as "secular prophets, preaching a message of secular salvation." Gore too has often been dubbed a "prophet." It's no surprise that a green-themed California hotel provides Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" right next to the Bible and a Buddhist tome.........."

The truth is the general population really isn't very smart at all. I love how politicians always say how smart we are, knowing full well they are passing along a line of b...taking advantage of our ignorance. Therefore it is really easy in our society today to have nutjobs with huge followings no matter the belief. Yesterday I heard a guy that was articulate on the subject being discussed that Bush and many others are secretly planning to take over the world. So one minute he is dumber than a stump by some people's account, and the next he is some sort of evil master planner with some sort of global agenda that frankly doesn't seem to be working very well. Flannery has figured out a way to bottle this scam and makes millions doing so just like his American partner Gore. People like the caller I heard yesterday and the above men have always existed but now because of technology we hear and know about them and thus they are given some sort of credibility due to their notoriety.

Meanwhile folks reality is ripping along and more and more ethanol plants are being planned and constructed. It wouldn't seem prudent to just step back and look at the evidence that suggests using corn as a fuel source might be a very bad idea? Nope, those easily duped politicians smell jobs, government subsidies, and re-election and that is all that matters.

There is no credible reason to believe there is any climate crisis, planetary crisis, or any other crisis associated with global warming.

An impending ice age? Now that's real crisis. Warming that's less than what we experienced during either the Medieval Climate Optimum or the Holocene Climate Optimum? That's just natural variation. High levels of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere? Where's the evidence that's this is a problem?

It seems to me that much of the panic and call for drastic action comes from misapplication of the various computer climate models. Computer climate models do not output scientific facts. It's a mischaracterization to claim these models output predictions or make forecasts.

HEY! Brett, you really buried the lead on THIS thread-starter!

The real star of this thread SHOULD be Stephen Colbert, as featured in the FABULOUS LINK buried at the bottom of the thread-starter.

I'm really tempted to post a transcript -- Colbert so uncannily echoes the contrarian comments that so dominate this site that I really wonder if perhaps it is Colbert's staff who write the talking-points that our contrarians so enthusiastically post here.

Choice hilarious bits:

"Carbon dioxide's not hurting my lawn, I gotta mow it every week"

"We could all be just atoms on giant's fingers. Let's talk about what's REALLY happening"

Be sure to check out 1:28 to 1:55:
"Q: If you get to that level of skepticism, then what would you believe? A: I believe what I WANT to believe. Welcome to AMERICA, my friend"

This interview is *fabulous*.

By the way, I think Flannery's proposal is foolishly and dangerously premature and wrong. I think the proposals he makes in the Colbert interview about biofuels (the interview dates from 2006) are dead wrong, and he should have known better.

Still, Colbert is marvelous. Thank you, Brett, for perhaps unintentionally shining a spotlight on how hilariously absurd our contrarian community's statements so often are.

Definitely risks prosecution under the "law of unintended consequences". This will add new meaning to the old admonition to "never eat yellow snow".

This is an extreme example of the more broadly accepted climate alarmist fairytale that the burning of fossil fuel can be replaced by other non-CO2 energy sources. The plain truth is that while solar, wind, geo, etc. can provide a small contribution, they cannot possibly provide enough energy to replace fossil fuel (coal, fuel oil & nat gas). The only truly robust non-CO2 source is nuclear. When will the green-nuts quit filing lawsuits to block the construction of new nuc plants?

Please fellow Americans, do not change a thing. In fact do more to promote global warming. I am getting a little tired of high temps in the 50's here in Western Michigan. Normal Highs are in the 70's right now.

I agree that this proposal is too radical and a classic example of making a bad situation even worse. However, it is sad that the global warming naysayers are using this as ammo to bolster their arguments. Yes it is 48 degrees in Pennsylvania this week, so what? There is a reason it is called *global warming*, not "Pennsylvania warming".

Sulfur dioxide is a potent cooling gas because it prevents solar radiation from reaching the ground. It also causes acid rain and extensive damage to vegetation by interfering with photosynthesis. Dr Flannery is not looking at the big picture here, but once again, I caution the AGW camp to avoid making that same mistake. The weather this month in one U.S state, or even the entire U.S for that matter, is not relevant.

I have a better idea, let's start making a list of the "scientists" that have signed on to this GW alarmism and be sure to bring their names back up publicly in a few years after this whole myth is busted.

There is a tornado forming right over my house - now. l8r

reply: not good ph. Stay safe.

The Last Word on Global Warming

The glacial history being offered by science leads them to believe that over the last 10,000 years the Earth has been warming, hence sea level is also rising.

There were several warming and cooling interruptions, like the mini-ice age and the medieval warming.

Vikings had crops and sheep farms in Greenland. Greenland then refroze. That fact establishes that continents experience sweeping changes in weather for long periods.

Today we see stories about 30,000 scientist who signed a paper saying something about the facts?

A few of those scientists will probably contract lung cancer from smoking, one will sit in his garage with the car engine running, and another will create a compound when burned will propel a piston that moves an object and as a byproduct induce water droplet formation in clouds. That will change the rainfall pattern and cool the land and water as well.

Would any of those scientists move to Love Canal or Chernobyl? Yes, if they were studying the impact of contaminants on the local biological specimens still surviving.

Maybe all society needs is a new TV show. The show could be called �I can�t believe we did that!�

Now that gas prices are soaring, the consumption plume of society will change, yet again.

And that will change the future.

Ask why a meteorologist stays out of the global warming debate.

They'll tell you it isn't their expertise.

How can long term weather prediction be so different than the daily weather forecasting?

Weather forecasters like to be right. Paleo-climatologists and solar physicists know they will have long departed this earth before their models can be proven. Well maybe not all of them.

A scientist has already predicted the future. We hope to be around to see which one had it right.

Prophecy, of long-term value, is laced with physical truths. God "rained manna from heaven" was physically true.

Today we track volcanism and film it. Thank God the asteroid Shoemaker�Levy hit Jupiter, it would have ended all life on Earth.

So a picture is worth a thousand words.

The Larson B ice sheet was the size of a small state.

Was it snapped off it's land mass from a rising sea or a warming earth? Both?

Warming water expands. More than anything else, water is the best geo-forming material on the planet. It levels the land-masses and circulates food.

Disrupt the flow of water, and watch it�s supported species change downstream. Where�s Waldo, the Pacific Salmon?

Over-fish a body of water and watch the chemical composition of the water change, changing its ability to seques