Hmmm...Let's see. Government will experiement and implement, and then the private companies will take over from there. And if they don't comply, Government/Big Brother will come down on them like a ton of bricks with more taxes, fines, and mandates. Just another day in the Emerald (Tree Hugger/Enviro-crazy) City of Seattle, where incidentally, it's only 51 degrees F at the time of this writing with a predicted high of 67 F. (Gee, those Go Green initiatives must really be working....LOL!!!).

Hmmm...Let's see #2. $164 million? Gee, couldn't that money be better spent with helping the downtrotten? Or feeding the hungry? Couldn't it be redistributed in a better fashion for the common good? Seems like the hypocrite progressives in the land of endless rain are just living up to their usual lack of standards!

Save the planet from hot air. MUZZLE SEATTLE!!!!

Good Idea! Kudos to him if it is a cost efficient idea.
His glossing over the heating and cooling issues, gives reason for trepidation to one who is used to political spin.
They failed to mention the cost. Was it under of over what customary construction costs would be?

Oh geez...for some reason the video link will not come up for me. So I'll attempt to believe I can see the story without seeing it, here I go. Welcome to Headline Earth, I'm Katie Fehlinger where we give unbiased opinions on the global warming topic, yet all we do is Seattle gone green stories. Uhh....Today we talk to Billy Bob and ask him how his street side resturaunt is cooling off the world. Billy: Well we don't cook our food with gas we use a magnifying glass and hold over it until it smokes and call it done and then we have a trapeez over the tables as you eat, how this has anything to do with going green is beyond me. Lets head on down the road to Miss Marys Bed&Breakfast. Mary: Hi, here at Miss Marys we only cook and heat with methane produced by our guest, we really take recycling serious and this is our way of saving the world. These are not the only places in Seattle going green, just check out Jim Petes Bar&Grill, Jim: Wellll...Here at Jims, youl enjoy our famous seared salmon with dandelions picked fresh over in the hills and delivered by horseback and salmon caught locally and we don't waste nothing todays leftovers is tomorrows stew. Katie: Thats all for this week see you again next week as we check out the local Seattlians way of spreading the coolness to the rest of the world, until then I'm Katie Fahlinger.............Anyone who watched it..uhh was I close

To get the best synopsis of the "Global Warming" situation I suggest that everyone go to the following link for a speech by John Coleman, founder of "The Weather Channel":
"http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/19842304.html"

His comments, thoughtfully worded, sum it all up for anyone who is interested in the truth. Unlike everyone else in the "Global Warming" movement, John is not making millions of dollars campaigning about global warming. He's just a retired weather scientist who tells the truth!

I'm trying to post a little more regularly to try to provide an alternative point of view from that of what I call the "posse". These are regular posters who dominate this blog with statements, slogans, and in some cases informational postings that diss the generally accepted science that supports the fact that climate change is a serious problem worldwide. They even complain that Brett, who tries to be objective and find posts that present information on all sides of this controversy, as well as interesting titbits, should not post 50:50, which is ridiculous since more than 90% of qualified scientists agree that we have a problem, and the data are pretty clear.

So now, Oiznop, you'd muzzle Seattle? What about Iowa and the midwest? Montana? Burma? Africa? Your childish tantrums are not informative, but they are repetitive. You discount extreme floods, drought, fires, wind, starvation, wars, the whole nine yards.

Oiznop:

I think you are just jealous because you live in the rust belt instead of in a beautiful place like Seattle.

God knows I moved out of western PA as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

I am perplexed by your jaundiced view. As the proud "Conservative" that you are, I would like to hear you articulate even one reason why it is not appropriate for government to lead by example and use less resources in an attempt to lower its costs. When Wal-Mart does the same thing thereby enabling it to charge $.03 less for something, it's heralded as a triumph of capitalism. Are you just so bitter that you can't see past that? If so, why should anybody here listen to you?

Oiznop, they're talking about "global" warming, not "local" warming. The idea is that on average, on a *global* scale, the temperature is going up... What happens locally is neither proof or disproof of the global trend. So, sorry about the cool weather in Seatle, but it's got nothing to do with the global temperature.

About the cost. There's no point in helping the downtrotten or feeding the hungry if we don't have a planet to do it on. Looking for useless spendings? The war in Iraq maybe?

Oiznop:
You are right.What a bunch of bull.The head of the municipality showing off how he spent others money makes me sick! Being green is four times as expensive as being thrifty. Did he mention the costs of this
colossal epitaph. The energy spent. For what! Wee!
a GREENIE Badge cause we recycled the old building. If it doesn't work,than the private sector can learn from US!!!I thought the private sector fat cats could help the government people, and not spend tax payers money!As my father used to say"if you want to grow that stuff on our roof, just dig a cave!
KIPP

Mayor Nikels is the same one who is trying to ban beach bon-fires in order to save the planet! The same one who has banned trans-fat being used at area restaraunts. The fries used to be really good at Dick's. This is the same mayor who rides in a chauffer driven limo to and from work and then sends the limo back downtown to park overnight and then return again in the morning to pick him up. He is easily 50 pounds overweight and tells healthy people they can't eat fries ocassionally that taste good. He is a giant hypocrite maximus and only the liberal infested minds of Seattle could keep voting in these kind of fools. Jim Mcdermott is another great example. When are you guys and gals at Accuweather going to change this section to Climate Change like the rest of the press has gone to in an obvious attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that the globe is currently cooling?

Pat,as long as Seattle is on the globe it's temperature most certainly does have something to do with global temperature,as well as any other city that's above or below normal at the time.As far as the eco-friendly buildings go,hey, if the people think they're making a difference who am I to get in the way of them feeling good for themselves.

Pat, local warming, global warming, did you see Bretts blog the other day with all the blue colors, that looks more global than local..eh?
Weather Watcher, do you think extreme floods, droughts, fires, starvation, wind, 9 yards, are something new to the world? Heck 9 yards ain't even a first down and I know they have happened before, cause I'm a Steeler fan! Seriously though, c'mon..dust storms have ravaged dust storm prone areas forever, forest fires are terrible but have happened throughout history and yeh you here more about destruction from them because before when they burnt a mountain down there were no houses, not much of a story, wind, its still a blowin..has for awhile,starvation...as long as life has existed, just now theres more people and more people to report it, extreme floods, haven't had to build the arch yet.....

Paul Johnson:
Why is your Earth cooling? Eleven of the last twelve years(1995-2006)RANK AMONG THE TWELVE WARMEST YEARS in the global surface temperature since! 1850. New analyses of balloon-borne and satellite measurements of lower and mid-tropic temperature show warming rates similar to those observed in surface temps. Please tell me why we are in a cooling period and back it up.
KIPP

Paul J,

Don't know exactly what you're talking about; trans-fats or not, Dick's fries are still the best game in town!

Kipp Albert,

What data set are you using? RSS data most definately shows cooling over the past year.

Also please notice that, when you use the phrase, "New analyses of balloon-borne and satellite measurements," the word "measurements" refers to actual raw data. The word "analyses" refers to the "adjustments" made by fellows who falsify data in order to make it fit their pet theories.

If these fellows get their hands on the RSS data, and start messing with it, it will show warming. It doesn't matter if you call what they do "adjusting" or "analyses," it ain't honest.

What is saddest is the people who swallow their falsifications: hook, line and sinker.

Oiznop, they're talking about "global" warming, not "local" warming. The idea is that on average, on a *global* scale, the temperature is going up... What happens locally is neither proof or disproof of the global trend. So, sorry about the cool weather in Seatle, but it's got nothing to do with the global temperature.

REPLY: Yep, same old tripe from you people. "It's GLOBAL warming, not Pittsburgh warming or Seattle warming." What a bunch of BULL! Last I looked those places were a part of the globe. And as far as the "global scale," if anything is happening at all, there is NOTHING, repeat N-O-T-H-I-N-G that humans can do to contol the weather, or the earth's climate. No, sorry Pat, but anything you suggest be it from the leaders in Seattle, or from the inept federal government, like it or not, we can't control NATURE!

About the cost. There's no point in helping the downtrotten or feeding the hungry if we don't have a planet to do it on. Looking for useless spendings? The war in Iraq maybe?

REPLY: As typical, the usual guilt laden stuff from the political left. Do me a favor, Pat. Don't bring up Iraq, hmmmm..K? First and formost, this is a blog about GW, not other politcs. And quite frankly, I am getting sick and tired of thwarting leftist garbage from people like Mark and BT and the rest of the Bush Bashing, Cum-by-ya crowd over subjects that are not related to this blog. They always accuse me of bring politics into the fray, when they are the ones with the big politics. Hiding behind their junk science. Enough, already.

I think you are just jealous because you live in the rust belt instead of in a beautiful place like Seattle.

REPLY: Seattle, GSN, Is over-rated. It's cold and dreary, with entirely too much rain for my liking. If I want cold and drearyness, I don't need to live in a "beautiful place" like Seattle. I will stay where I am at. Contrary to what you may believe, we have trees and mountians here too. As well as a equally wacked local government, all be it for different reasons.

I am perplexed by your jaundiced view. As the proud "Conservative" that you are, I would like to hear you articulate even one reason why it is not appropriate for government to lead by example and use less resources in an attempt to lower its costs. When Wal-Mart does the same thing thereby enabling it to charge $.03 less for something, it's heralded as a triumph of capitalism. Are you just so bitter that you can't see past that? If so, why should anybody here listen to you?

REPLY: I am bitter because I am (again) sick and tired of the liberal left telling me it's my fault that the earth's temperature is (supposedly) warming because I drive a certain car, or exhale CO2. And we have to build these "green" buildings as a result. Otherwise the planet will explode. Hey, if Seattle want's to do this and "lead by example," fine. God bless them. It's a free (sometimes I wonder) country. Don't expect others to agree with their ideas, and DO NOT try to lead by mandating or forcing. That, my friend is why I am bitter. Because the enviro-wackjob lobby is trying to control our lives through the congress, and now with these two running for President. To get everybody to "pitch in" via taxation and regulation. No, buddy boy, that's why I am bitter.

DENY DENY DENY THE GLO-BULL WARMING LIE!!!!!!

Weatherwatcher:

So, are you saying that short term, local weather now dictates what the global climate is doing?

So, that said, the 90% of days where 90% of the globe has nothing "extreme" happening means that there are no climate issues? Right?

And wars are now a climate cause?

GSN:

Good point.

Pat:

Actually, your reasoning is flawed. And I especially like the barb about not having a planet to help people on. How totally jingoistic of a statement. Really, 164 Million is a drop in the bucket of the money spent on trying to help the downtrodden and poor on the planet and in America. This country, and the world for that matter, have spent billions of dollars "helping" the poor. Funny thing is we still have them and they seem to be a bigger problem. It seems to me that the money spent has made the problem worse. Makes me wonder whether or not the money spent on AGW will make it worse.

Josh!
Katie is a good reporter, and AccuWeather has the best blog in town. Even though this building is twice the cost for half the buck, it is good to know how people are reacting to our need for Energy, and what we can do to save it ourselves. A lot of things are being done, most of which seem superfluous. We got ourselves into this mess,so now we have to dig ourselves out of it. Saving energy it would seem, should be our first choice and responsibility. You don't have to be like Ed Begal Jr. and buy every new device in the world. You just have to be a responsible consumer,and save the planet, in your own way.If you wan't a real laugh, go to the green channel.
KIPP

So now, Oiznop, you'd muzzle Seattle? What about Iowa and the midwest? Montana? Burma? Africa? Your childish tantrums are not informative, but they are repetitive. You discount extreme floods, drought, fires, wind, starvation, wars, the whole nine yards.

REPLY: **SIGH** What do those places have to do with anything? Because they have had extreme weather, I am to be made to feel guilty? Like my exhaling CO2 or my lifestyle is to blame for this happening? Like you (and the media, and government and UN) want(s) the masses to believe? You may discredit my "tantrums" as being uninformative and repeatative, WW, that's fine. You can buy into the bull all you want. Some others may view them as being repetative challenges to those elitests who constantly spew this Glo-BULL wamring gorg. And most of the time my "tantrums" usually go unanswered by these hypocrites because they know they are spewing more bs into the air than any of we philistines ever will with our captialist American lifestyles. (Example: By the by, Mark, if you are still out there. Still waiting for you to tell us what kind of vehicle you drive? Let's see how long it takes for him to ignore me once again! LOL!).

Seattle, GSN, Is over-rated. It's cold and dreary, with entirely too much rain for my liking. If I want cold and drearyness, I don't need to live in a "beautiful place" like Seattle. I will stay where I am at.

To each his own.

Kipp,

You said:
"Why is your Earth cooling? Eleven of the last twelve years(1995-2006)RANK AMONG THE TWELVE WARMEST YEARS in the global surface temperature since! 1850"

Lets do an experiment, lets say I made you live in a fridge from 1995-2006. I kept the temperature at an incredible accurate reading each year. In 1998, I had you at the warmest temperature for your duration in the fridge. Every year after that, I kept you at a lower temperature than the temp from the year 1998.

Now substitute the planet with you, and lower with cooler.

Voila.

The average global temperature can do 1 of 3 things each year. It can be the same, it can be warmer, or it can be cooler.

Compare the years 1999 - 2007 with the year 1998. Every one of those years had a cooler global temperature than 1998. Thus if you graph the temperatures from whatever starting point before 1998 up through 2007, their will be a peak at 1998, with a slightly downward slope from 1998 to the end point of 2007. That downslope means COOLING!

"Seattle, GSN, Is over-rated. It's cold and dreary, with entirely too much rain for my liking. If I want cold and drearyness, I don't need to live in a "beautiful place" like Seattle. I will stay where I am at."

And Seattle can breath a collective sigh of relief!

I challenge you to list ten things you DO like.

Sheesh. And environmentalists are to blame for all of the gloom and doom in the world?

Veets,

Compare the years 1999 - 2007 with the year 1998. Every one of those years had a cooler global temperature than 1998. Thus if you graph the temperatures from whatever starting point before 1998 up through 2007, their will be a peak at 1998, with a slightly downward slope from 1998 to the end point of 2007. That downslope means COOLING!

The question is: why would you compare 1999-2007 to 1998 if you wanted an accurate description of how Earth's climate is behaving? From one of the RSS maps Brett provided on an earlier post, it's pretty clear that 1998 was an anomaly due to El Nino.

http://global-warming.accuweather.com/brightnessrss.html

Let's continue with your refrigerator analogy. Suppose you suspect your refrigerator is wearing out and isn't getting as cold as it used to. Luckily for you, you've kept a thermometer in the fridge for the past 30 months, so you have some pretty accurate data to work from. The problem is, you have to figure out how to interpret the data.

You choosing to use 1998 as a basis for comparison is analogous to comparing the most recent refrigerator data to the month a little while back where the power went out for a week and your refrigerator defrosted. Since you've compared all the data since then to that one month, you've concluded that your refrigerator has actually gotten more efficient with age, even though it is quite apprarent that the ice cream in your freezer is melting.

I challenge you to list ten things you DO like.

REPLY: Sorry, Brett. Just responding to the challenge.

Ten Things Oiznop Likes (and even loves):

1. First and foremost. Being of Calabrase, Sicilian, Greek, and Arabic decent, HOT WEATHER/A HOT TROPICAL/SUBTROPICAL/MEDETERRANIAN CLIMATE! Big surprise there, huh?

2. I like people who are honest, who don't fall for BS, and who know BS when they hear it. Unlike those who drink the Kool-Aid.

3. Amateur Radio, Radio Propagation, and Radio in general. Henseforth a sub interest in Sunspots, not only for the climate, but for it's effect on radio signals. Been a ham op for 23 years, and have made radio contact with 265 countries with low power and wires for an antenna.

4. My job. Which took me a very long time to find no thanks to a local economy run by corrupt Democrats constantly voted in by a parochial constituancy.

5. My significant other. Even though she is a P-I-T-A alot of the time. I write this as we are currently squabbling. Oh, and incidentally, she and I are politically and weather wise compatable, although she was squaking a bit about the heat last week.

6. God. Yes I know this will upset some of you "progressive" thinkers out there, but I consider my CHRISTIAN faith to be a very important part of my life. Call me a philistine, why don't ya!

7. Travel (by car or boat--Not a good flyer and have yet to travel by rail). Especially to the beach! See #1.

8. The Pittsburgh Steelers and Pittsburgh Pirates/Football and Baseball. The Steelers: Nuff Said. The Pirates: It's been a tough road, but they are all this baseball fan has.

9. Debating, especially when it comes to Politics and Religion. Just in case you haven't noticed.

and Last But Not Least.

10. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!! And everything it stands for. Or at least used to stand for, no thanks to the "you know who's." Which is why we are here to thwart the these people and their nonsense who are trying to ruin the USA and the very freedoms that came with it. Especially when they are to blind to see what they are doing with their big government nonsense.

Heck, let's throw in 2 more:

11. Playing the drums! Rock and Roll mostly, with some blues mixed in. Discovered 2 years ago that I can actually play. And I never had a lesson, either. Wish I had done it a long time ago.

12. And now, finally, Greek Cuisine. Feed me Gyros, Spanokopita, Moussaka, Pastitsio, Grape Leaves, Baklava, Slouvaki, and Loukomathes, and I am a happy boy! (Food festival this week, which is why