I guess everything is relative and depends on your experiences but it appeared to me that the ship pictured was pretty luxurious compared to a Navy warship. That's not meant to diminish the hard work and harsh conditions under which these research vessels carry out their work, but our Navy operates in extreme conditions every day of the year and I can tell you from personal experience that warships are not luxurious. Add the threat of attack and this looks like a walk in the park.

I wonder if that russian, or was it a british ship that went up there a while ago to prove Glo-BULL Warming is still STUCK IN THE THICK ICE? LOL!!! The Fools!...

DE'JA MOO! The Feeling I've Heard This BULL Before!

Denial Mechanic:
This is just another cruise without the caviar. I love to see what some will do with other people's money. What will they find that every other boat hasn,t found. Maybe they will get stuck in the ice, and need to be saved by the next research boat, ten minutes behind this one. What about spending money on your old chevy? Oh! I forgot. there spending that money on sending a robot to the moon. Maybe the aliens will come there and see how dumb we are and blow up the Earth.
KIPP

Another non-pleasure cruise.

Some people who made the mistake of taking NSIDC press releases seriously, are now stuck in the ice in the Northwest (non) Passage.

http://awberrimilla.blogspot.com/

Well, here's regards some research in the Sahara Ocean, this is an excerpt of comments by ElRushbo: You know, folks, there is so much absurdity out there. It's like, have you seen this story on what they have found in the Sahara Desert? Listen to this. The Sahara Desert, it's a desert. For those of you in Rio Linda, it means it's miles and miles and miles of dry, parched sand. You will die there in two days, unless you run into an oasis. "A tiny woman and two children were laid to rest on a bed of flowers 5,000 years ago in what is now the barren Sahara Desert.

"The slender arms of the youngsters were still extended to the woman in perpetual embrace when researchers discovered their skeletons in a remarkable cemetery that is providing clues to two civilizations who lived there, a thousand years apart, when the region was moist and green. Paul Sereno of the University of Chicago and colleagues were searching for the remains of dinosaurs in the African country of Niger when they came across the startling find, detailed at a news conference Thursday at the National Geographic Society. 'Part of discovery is finding things that you least expect,' he said. 'When you come across something like that in the middle of the desert it sends a tingle down your spine.' Some 200 graves of humans were found during fieldwork... 'Everywhere you turned, there were bones belonging to animals that don't live in the desert,' said Sereno.

"'I realized we were in the green Sahara.'" Five thousand years ago. Now, it almost sounds foolish to me to have to ask the question, but if the Sahara Desert was once fertile, green, and lush -- people and animals lived and thrived there, which means plenty of food was also available there -- and 5,000 years later it's now a barren desert, and there were no automobiles, there were no light bulbs, there were no fossil fuels, there were no automobiles, there was nothing! There was no industrialization. There were no coal-fired power plants. There was zilch, zero, in terms of "carbon footprint." So somebody explain to me how the hell a lush, dense, green area 5,000 years ago becomes a barren desert? Now, it's patently obvious that the climate of this planet goes at its own pace, and its own time.

It does what it wants to do when it wants to do it and we have diddlysquat to do about it, and these poor saps that lived in that region had no more ability to stop the warming back then that was going to turn the place into a desert than we have the ability to stop it now because we're not causing it. We cannot! Stories like this just make the whole global warming story patently absurd! Just absurd. It makes wonder why you have to spend any time on it all discussing it.

Wellll...some sanity in the absurdity!

.... From The Desk Of DM....
Probably a British ship. LOL. LOLA!

And the proof is pretty undeniable. GW is affecting the arctic pretty BAD! OUCH!

Oiznop:
I just realized your solution. Be the first on Mars. They can parachute you down in your car. They will even give you a fan and a Z L Corvette. No space for a space heater. Sorry!
KIPP

Earthquakes ranging from 4.5 to 5.7 magnitude in northern Greenland and near the North Pole on the Russian side, in the last few days.

Are the Gekkel Ridge volcanoes acting up?

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/ortho/270_90.php

Data is great. It is a springboard for a sense of wonder.

It is the interpretation that sometimes irks me, especially if it involves any sort of "cherry-picking" or "adjusting."

Antarctic ice is nearly 1Mkm2 ahead of last year's record pace.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

Good read on the Arctic.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

Parick Henry,
Steven Goddard say its not based on solid science, but it is. Pretty much all scientific data and research indicate the planet is warming up and warming up triggered by the rise of CO2 in air.

Mr. Goddard makes light of the fact that it is the 2nd worst extent after 2007. Which is bad news!

Hi paul,

This is what undisputed global warming looks like in Colorado -

Denver officially reached a high temperature of 59 degrees on Friday. This crushed the old record low maximum temperature of 68 degrees set in 1880. Saturday has the potential to do the same.
http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner

I had to turn the heat on yesterday afternoon, after not using the air-conditioning at all this summer. In Fort Collins, the official high on Friday was about 52. We also had more than 2.5 inches of rain in the last 48 hours.
http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/~autowx/fclwx_plotsearch_display.php

I wonder why this remarkable climate story isn't front page news at the BBC? (Maybe it is because they are inundated with cold rain in the UK as well.)

Reply: It is not a climate story, but a weather story that covered a tiny fraction of the earth during that several day period. Very impressive though!

Patrick:
You know the scenario. Spencer Weart the director of Physics at The American Institute of Physics, who has written several books on the History of Physics said; Rapid Climate Change would be a result of Global Warming. Like you, we in Connecticut have had two winters, no snow but plenty of frigid air, and Lot's of rain. We are cold here too like you. When the weather is changing rapidly, say like spring is to summer, the weather has a lot of extremes between the norm. This is another admition that further warming may be coming to you. The world is not your Oyster, but Colorado is. Ask Philopinos or the South Vietnamese what they think about cooling. Ask an Alaskin. Ask the California fire fighter about receeding frozen tundra.
KIPP

I've avoided the weather comments so far, but DFW is looking at a week of temps in the low to mid 80s. Unheard of for August (and very welcome actually).
No sunspots for August, only one for July. Maybe as global cooling continues, Dallas will be like Ft Collins and Denver in summer.
Rick R. - I agree with your comments up there shipmate.

Steve Rowland:
I think why some agw deniers don't see the whole picture. You must study climatology, the study of rapid climate change, climate change, and the difference between a thousand years and 200 years of climate change. Then we must study chemistry and what different gases do in our atmosphere. Then when we are done doing this we can start to demand more coal now. Just to show that sustainability is really greed, and not leaving the planet to our grandchildren can be a good alternative if you hate mankind in truth. The Pentagon is gearing up, are you?
KIPP

Brett,

Every hot day is a climate story. Cool days are just "weather" though.

Reply: I don't believe that, but I will not speak for the media.

Patrick Henry,

You are constantly fixated on individual temps at specific spots.

Don't you do global?

So many have pointed this out to you before...

I guess you have an agenda...

OK Kipp, Lets ask the Vietnamese about global warming.

Cold Weather Kills 60,000 Cattle In Vietnam
http://johnibii.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/cold-weather-kills-60000-cattle-in-vietnam/

http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp6.html

Every hot day is a climate story. Cool days are just "weather" though.

Reply: I don't believe that, but I will not speak for the media.

REPLY: Believe it Brett. Especially when there is an agenda involved that certain people are trying to push through.

DE 'JA MOO. The Feeling I've Heard This BULL Before!!!!!

I love it. Back when Denver was smashing records for most consecutive 90-degree days in a row, we didn't hear a peep out of Patrick Henry. But one cold day, and he makes several backyard weather posts.

Dallas has also had, until recently, a hot summer, which of course nobody talked about. Yet one week of temperatures in the 80s and suddenly we hear "Summer aint like it used to be." LOL.

Agenda-driven Deniers...that's what we have here.

Kipp Alpert:
So, in other words, you have no explanation at all as to what Rush was saying, thus fall back on generalities which I doubt you understand yourself.

Mark,

We may not have heard from Patrick Henry when Denver had its heat wave, but we sure did hear from you!

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

I agree with you that at times more people on this site point out the cold temperatures than point out the heat waves. However, when you look at the national media, I think you will see the bias is exactly opposite. Therefore this site forms a sort of balance to their bias.

It takes two to tango.

Kipp,

You said:

"Just to show that sustainability is really greed, and not leaving the planet to our grandchildren can be a good alternative if you hate mankind in truth."

No matter how serious or catastrophic the past has been for mankind, we have always past on the planet to future generations and it always turns out alright for them.

What could possibly be so different about this minor glitch in our history?

Agenda-driven Deniers...that's what we have here.

REPLY: Please splain, Mark. I would love to hear your explaination as to what agenda it is we who don't give in to the junk science have. The way I see it, the only agenda here is to preserve the United States of America as it is without interferece from the "free thinkers" of the world, both from abroad and from within. So do tell, tell us about this agenda of ours. Or will you ingore this request as well? Just as you have ingored repeated requests to explain to this blog just what type of vehicle you drive so we all don't come away thinking you are blowing smoke up everyone's backside with your glo-BULL Warming preaching and guilt laden posts? Again, I ask. Please splain.

De 'Ja Moo. The Feeling I've Heard This Bull Before.

Caleb,

When you see me posting about weather, it's only to mock the agw Deniers on this blog who, during heat waves, never mention their backyard weather; yet when it's cold outside they'll make five posts a day about it. I do not attempt to prove or disprove AGW with weather observations. I've gone on record many times saying that today's weather, whether it's hot or cold, doesn't prove or disprove anything. I simply do it to make fun of certain people on this blog, and to point out their hypocrisy.

Caleb:

Just so you know, we who are "mocked" (lol, yeah right!) would mention heatwaves IF THEY ACTUALLY OCCURRED LIKE THEY USED TO!!!! And even if they did actually occur like they used to, we would say THAT IT'S SUMMER and it's SUPPOSED TO BE HOT, AND STOP WHINING ABOUT IT!!!! Just wanted to make sure we are all clear on this, as it seems that some people who fail to explain themselves when asked, refuse to do so, fearing their own hypocrisy will be revealed to the world.

Have a nice day, & as always,

DENY DENY DENY THE GLO-BULL WARMING LIE!!!!!!

Oiz, this January there was tornado (EF-2) that happened in my county, the temps were over 60 degrees in January. I live in Wisconsin. That is not supposed to happen. I am just curious as how you would classify that, as a heat wave in the summer is normal, a heat wave like that in January is not.

I would guess you would classify it as an extremely rare weather occurance.

You go and use what you perceive as cooler than normal weather for the summer as proof global warming does not exist. Logically, that should also mean that warmer than normal weather in the winter is proof the global warming does exist.

You simply cannot have it one way without showing extreme bias.

I define myself as skeptical, leaning more towards AGW not existing. I do not deny that the earth has warmed. But making arguments like yours do not help the cause.

I really wish you would listen to me, as I am giving you advice. If you can strengthen your arguments, why wouldn't you?

Mark,

I made lots of comments about the Denver "heat wave." It was a joke, The Denver airport moved 15 years ago to a much warmer (summertime) location. Of course it appears to have warmed there.

Fort Collins and Boulder had no 100 degree days, and neither had more than four days in a row over 90. Normal July high in Denver is 89.

The whole story was pathetic. We never turned our air conditioner on the entire summer.

Oiz, this January there was tornado (EF-2) that happened in my county, the temps were over 60 degrees in January. I live in Wisconsin. That is not supposed to happen. I am just curious as how you would classify that, as a heat wave in the summer is normal, a heat wave like that in January is not.

I would guess you would classify it as an extremely rare weather occurance.

You go and use what you perceive as cooler than normal weather for the summer as proof global warming does not exist. Logically, that should also mean that warmer than normal weather in the winter is proof the global warming does exist.

You simply cannot have it one way without showing extreme bias.

I define myself as skeptical, leaning more towards AGW not existing. I do not deny that the earth has warmed. But making arguments like yours do not help the cause.

I really wish you would listen to me, as I am giving you advice. If you can strengthen your arguments, why wouldn't you?

REPLY: This is my arguement Veets. For the last time. IT'S 55 EFFING DEGREES AT 7:19 AM ON AUGUST 20, 2008. IT'S TOO BLOODY COLD!!!!!! I don't care about 60 degree temperatures in January. This is NOT JANUARY. If it were, i'd be doing BACKFLIPS with weather like this, absolutely. But anyone who believes that 60 degrees is warm, ANY TIME OF YEAR, is being foolish. 60 degrees is a wine cellar temperature. Still TOO COLD! And again for the LAST TIME. I DO HAVE A BIAS. I have a bias for HOT WEATHER which is fairly obvious I am NEVER GOING TO SEE AGAIN unless I pack up and move my rear end south. And I do have a bias against the AL GORE MONKEES OUT THERE who constantly preach their hypocratic politically motivated agenda driven BS telling us how this country should live, when they are the biggest energy hogs out there, and when it's obvious that the earth is NOT WARMING for whatever reason. Translation, I have a bias that is PRO-AMREICAN & anti-FORCED-GREEN that harms this countries productivity, economy, and overall standing AS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD. (do you hear me, Al Gore Monkees????). Does this clear things up, Veets???? I am not accusing you of anything personally. I am just telling you where I stand. And I stand, in my office, at this hour with a SPACE HEATER ON AGAIN FOR ABOUT THE 10TH TIME THIS MONTH BECAUSE SUMMER REFUSES TO HAPPEN. Even though we hear about this type of weather in January. Let's worry about January when January happens. My guess is that I will be submerged under massive amounts of snow. Oh, I can hardly friggin wait!...........AAAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

De'Ja Moo. The feeling that I've heard this BULL (AND I EMPHASIZE, BULL) before!!!!!!!

P.S. And Yes, I spelled Monkees like that of the 1960's tv rock band. After all, I woundn't want to label anybody by spelling it the right way. Heaven forbid!

Reply: I got down to 39 degrees this morning, so there!

I am just curious as how you would classify that, as a heat wave in the summer is normal, a heat wave like that in January is not.

I would guess you would classify it as an extremely rare weather occurance.

REPLY: Sorry, Brett, but I forgot to mention this:

Veets. Your point is moot. Because like the "Heatwaves" that were mentioned before, 60 degrees days in January HAVEN'T HAPPEND LIKE THEY USED TO EITHER. I can't remember the last time we had a string of days in the low 60s, or even the upper 50s, in January. It's been at least 5 or 6 years around here. We don't even get the nice break in the weather/taste of spring for a few days in March that we used to. Sorry Veets, But your attempt to "help me strenghen my arguement" (pa-leez) is not going to work. Your point is moot. And the earth is NOT WARMING.

Oiz,

Lack of 60 degrees days where you live does not matter, at all.

Nor does your definition of warm matter in the global warming debate. Sorry, you are free to have the opinion, buuuuuut it does not mean anything in the actual debate. What does matters is the actual climate. 60 degrees in January is not supposed to happen in Wisconsin. 60 degree days in Pittsburgh in the dead of summer are not supposed to happen, they are improbable, not impossible. But if one is proof in the debate, than the other is proof.

So far people have shown that your summer has been slightly above normal where as you have made it out to be miserable, granted it may be miserable to you, but it is what it is supposed to be, and I believe June and July were actually averaged out to be warmer than they were supposed to be. You seriously need to remove your preference from the scientific debate, it has no bearing, and makes your arguments weaker.

Global warming has NOTHING (I repeat NOTHING) to do with what you think is warm. It is all about actual climate. If it was never lower than 90 degrees all year in Pittsburgh, you would like it, great. Whoop de doo! That is not right, and something is aloof.

As for your bizarre rant about Al Gore, what does that have to do with anything of what I said? Answer: Nothing. Response: Then why bring it up.

Veets:

With regard to this:

So far people have shown that your summer has been slightly above normal where as you have made it out to be miserable, granted it may be miserable to you, but it is what it is supposed to be, and I believe June and July were actually averaged out to be warmer than they were supposed to be.

REPLY: That is 100% U.S. Grade A BULL Veets. Stop with the propaganda, ok? The average high temperature for August is 82 degrees. Most of the month hasn't seen that yet. and the average low is 60-62. Most every bloody morning, it's been in the low to mid 50s. Show where people have proved that I am having an above normal summer. It's a crock.

Global warming has NOTHING (I repeat NOTHING) to do with what you think is warm. It is all about actual climate.

REPLY: Yeah Yeah Yeah. Same old tripe. Weather is not climate and climate is not weather, and meatloaf is not hamburger and hamburger is not steak. Sorry Veets, but I refer you the latest signature that I have been using to close my posts:

Deja Moo. The Feeling I've Heard This BULL Before.

Ain't buying any of it, Veets. Especially with regard to JUNK SCIENCE.

Oh, by the by, Veets. I forgot to mention. For all of the Wind Energy Advocates (oops sorry, is that a lable?) out there. Chew on this:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/health/5947095.html

It seems a few of the tree hugger/anybody but Bush crowd out in Oregon, who are so pro-environment, have a problem with windmills as alternative energy. Seems they can be hazerdous to your health. I laugh at these fools, LOUDLY. Here's hoping they get what they deserve.

(Brett: I would have waited to post this on say a thread about that Michael Bloomburg and his NYC Windmill idea, but I just couldn't wait.)

America is NOT the problem. America is the SOLUTION.

Someone want to help me out as I do not have the ability to behind my firewall. What was Pittsburgh weather like in June and July?

Did anyone notice how I mentioned those 2 months, and Oiz only mentioned August...

and then this little gem:
"Yeah Yeah Yeah. Same old tripe. Weather is not climate and climate is not weather, and meatloaf is not hamburger and hamburger is not steak. Sorry Veets, but I refer you the latest signature that I have been using to close my posts:"

I did not even mention weather vs. climate Oiz, other people may get sucked into your little games, but not me. I made mention of your opinion of warm not mattering. What matters is how things compare to their averages and stuff like that. No where in the global warming hypothesis or global cooling hypothesis or any of this does Oiz's opinion of what is warm come in.

Come on Oiz, you are making this so easy to make you look silly.

Someone want to help me out as I do not have the ability to behind my firewall. What was Pittsburgh weather like in June and July?

REPLY: I will gladly help you out, Veets. June started out AS IT SHOULD BE...HOT AND HUMID... That lasted for about a week (Big Deal!) and the the rains moved in ad nauseum, sending the temperature no higher than 70 FRIGGIN DEGREES for at least a week and a half before recovering into low eighties. (wow! oppressive!). July continuted this trend. The 4th was a cool miserable rainy 70 degrees. The month later "progressed" to give us NICE HOT DAYS here and there (and I emphasize, HERE AND THERE) again, before sinking back to normal to below normal temperatures. Sorry Veets, you lose. This was a very unstable and unseasonably cool summer. Brett, please verify my assesment. Thanks.

Come on Oiz,

REPLY: Where we going, Veets?

I did not even mention weather vs. climate Oiz,

REPLY: No, but that is the rhetoric that some peoople would like us to believe.

other people may get sucked into your little games, but not me.

REPLY: Veets, you are taking this way to seriously. No games here, paly. Just debunking the BULL. I suggest you, again, go and get a nice glass of wine, have some popcorn, take in a ballgame (or that show in Denver) & RELAX!!!!! You are taking this way to seriously. No games here, paly. Just debunking the BULL.

I made mention of your opinion of warm not mattering.

REPLY: Warm is Warm. Cool is Cool. Hot is Hot. Cold is Cold. What is it that you don't understand about this?

What matters is how things compare to their averages and stuff like that.

REPLY: Oh, I get it. What matters is the junk science. That's right, I forgot. The debate is over.

No where in the global warming hypothesis (ah! you agree it's an educated (yeah right) GUESS? Now were getting somewhere)...or global cooling hypothesis or any of this does Oiz's opinion of what is warm come in.

REPLY: My opinion of what is warm is based on personal experience when I set foot outdoors. Not on a "Hypothesis" that many who support it want to use as a means to regulate, tax and mandate by force the use of certain forms of energy and carbon. In an effort to thwart this countries future proseperity. With the prostelitizing that the earth will explode and the polar bears will die if we don't do these things. Again, what is it that about this fraud that you don't understand? The earth is NOT WARMING, Veets. And if it is (I wish), IT'S NO BIG DEAL!!!!!

Deja Moo. The Feeling I've Heard This BULL Before!!!

Does anyone have any suggestions for how I can talk to Oiznop to geth im to understand that I am not an AGW advocate? I have told him flat out a couple times, and he still refuses to believe me.

Reply: I think you need to get over it Veets and move on, it's just one person and you cannot control how he thinks and what he writes. It's not worth it to get your blood pressure raised on this.

Also, does anyone know how I can make his replies make sense to the conversation?

Reply: I wouldn't try if I were you. Move on and concentrate on your own posts.

Oiz, the Earth is warming, even PH has admitted that. He even admitted that enough CO2 would cause a slight warming.

Reply: Give it up Veets, you are not going to change how Oiznop feels.

The argument is about the man-made aspect of it.

Oiz, the Earth is warming, even PH has admitted that. He even admitted that enough CO2 would cause a slight warming.

REPLY: Why don't you let PH speak for himself?

Reply: Give it up Veets, you are not going to change how Oiznop feels.

REPLY: No you are not, because Oiz knows BS when he hears it. Remember, I used to buy into this Glo-BULL Warming fraud when I was younger. Back when we actually had summer. When the chicken littles were running around going "Get Used To It. This is the way the summers are going to be if we don't change our lifestyles." Translation: If we don't even the glo-BULL playing field when it comes to our wealth. Then all of a sudden, (within the last 10 years) the real summers started morphing into these cool wet rainy below normal continuations of early spring. But yet the chicken little machine continued to spew their lies so they can get what they want. That being putting forth their excessive enviro-crazy political agenda. Sorry, Veets. You may or may not be in denial as to what's really going on. I can't speak for you. But I am not. I know a fraud when I see it. And Glo-bull warming is the greatest fraud in the history of mankind. I find it interesting that as an issue in the presidential campaigns, it's pretty much dropped off the radar. If we were having a real summer in the northeast, I am sure they would screaming loudly about it at that freak show in Denver. At the top of their lungs, no doubt.

The argument is about the man-made aspect of it.

REPLY: Precisely, Brett. If anything is going on, it's NOT because of man-made activities. It's because of the earth's own natural cycles and lack of sunspots (which I really wish would change, for more than one reason). If man has anything to do with it (which he does not) it's extremely miniscule. Not warranting punishments from the government via taxation. No matter what the guilt mongering crowd says. My view is the earth is NOT warming. And if it is, again, it's not a big deal.