I think NASA may have found the 'warming hole' way down in Louisiana!
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36161

Obviously Brennan has never checked Anthony Watts' climate audit for site placement and data quality. He also would have a hard time convincing anyone on the Canadian prairies currently basking in -40 degree (same in C or F) weather. Fifty-seven years isn't much of a trend either in terms of the Earths' real climate history (not the hockey stick one).

Let us see, why would you want to "approve" my comment? Is this censorship? During this period we here in Jacksonville have had three heavy frosts. The first one was a very unusal October freeze.
Next, how did NOAA determine that the "warming hole" was caused by "energy sources we are using"?
Road Scholar

Well it is cold in the UK this month anyway...

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20081212.html

It is -25C here right now, the coldest Dec. 15 on record - by far. If we had to rely on wind or solar to stay warm, we would all be freezing to death.
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=RER&node=KBOU

According to USHCN, most of the south and southeast US has cooled significantly since the 1930s.

So just where is this mythical "warming hole" that North America has???" I'd like to go there, crawl in AND NEVER LEAVE!!! As yet again, after a very brief respite, MORE SNOW AND FALLING TEMPERATURES ARE ON THE WAY!!!!!

Yes, ladies and gents, the lunacy continues, and your governemnt that YOU voted for is doing whatever it takes to screw you and your business, and get you to use untested energy sources by force with these lies. Be they from Senor Change and his band of merry Clintonites, to bureacraies such as NOAA. Whatever it takes, baby! Coach Noll would be proud.

I think the guy who said, "tell a lie long enough, and it eventually becomes the truth," would be greatly proud as well. That guy being nazi propaganda minster Josef Geobbles. Pretty ironic, don't ya think???....

And please, don't even start me on the month of November. What a crock!!!!

A warming hole??...BAH!!! HUMBUG!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!

The map can for Nov. can be seen here, http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/11statewidetrank.png. You can make up your own mind as to the validity of his statements and the data.

Its the same lying and dramatization as someone telling you white is black in an attempt to get you to doubt your own senses.

Just like this crap that came on Drudge this AM:

AP Panic: Obama Has Little Time To Curb Global Warming: Cooling Trend illustrates how fast the world is warming..."

By SETH BORENSTEIN

Excerpt:
WASHINGTON (AP) - When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore. Now it is a ticking time bomb that President-elect Barack Obama can't avoid.

Since Clinton's inauguration, summer Arctic sea ice has lost the equivalent of Alaska, California and Texas. The 10 hottest years on record have occurred since Clinton's second inauguration. Global warming is accelerating. Time is close to running out, and Obama knows it.

"The time for delay is over; the time for denial is over," he said on Tuesday after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming. "We all believe what the scientists have been telling us for years now that this is a matter of urgency and national security and it has to be dealt with in a serious way."

But there are powerful political and economic realities that must be quickly overcome for Obama to succeed. Despite the urgency he expresses, it's not at all clear that he and Congress will agree on an approach during a worldwide financial crisis in time to meet some of the more crucial deadlines.

Obama is pushing changes in the way Americans use energy, and produce greenhouse gases, as part of what will be a massive economic stimulus. He called it an opportunity "to re-power America."

After years of inaction on global warming, 2009 might be different. Obama replaces a president who opposed mandatory cuts of greenhouse gas pollution and it appears he will have a willing Congress. Also, next year, diplomats will try to agree on a major new international treaty to curb the gases that promote global warming.

"We need to start in January making significant changes," Gore said in a recent telephone interview with The Associated Press. "This year coming up is the most important opportunity the world has ever had to make progress in really solving the climate crisis."

Scientists are increasingly anxious, talking more often and more urgently about exceeding "tipping points."

"We're out of time," Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. "Things are going extinct."

Read the rest of the BS here:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081214/D952LKP00.html

Record Lows 'Prove' Global Warming......Welcome To Animal Farm, boys.....

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20081214/NEWS01/81214005

Several places in the state have already shattered daily record lows, and more are expected to be broken as the sub-zero temperatures continue through Sunday night.
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White Sulphur Springs reported 29 degrees below zero to the National Weather Service today, stretching way beyond the last daily record low of 17 degrees below zero set in 1922.

�We�re waiting for a lot of reports to come in still,� said Scott Coulston, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Great Falls.

Other towns breaking records on Sunday were Lewistown with -25 degrees this morning (24 below was the previous record) and Dillon with 16 degrees below zero (the last record low was 15 below).

Fort Benton and Boulder tied previous record lows of 23 and 20 degrees below, respectively, and Havre and Great Falls are both on their way to shattering previous records as well.

Read Monday�s Tribune for a more comprehensive weather report.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=RER&node=KBOU

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RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DENVER CO
1203 AM MST MON DEC 15 2008

...NEW RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE IN DENVER FOR DECEMBER 14TH AND 15TH...

THE TEMPERATURE AT DENVER INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PLUNGED TO -15
DEGREES AT 552 PM ON THE 14TH BREAKING THE OLD RECORD OF -14 DEGREES
SET IN 1901. THE TEMPERATURE CONTINUED TO FALL AND BOTTOMED OUT AT
-18 DEGREES AT 635 PM.

THE 15TH STARTED WITH A NEW RECORD . AT 1200 AM THE TEMPERATURE WAS
-13 DEGREES SETTING A NEW RECORD LOW FOR THE DAY. THE OLD RECORD WAS
-6 SET IN 1951. A LATER STATEMENT WILL BE ISSUED IF THE TEMPERATURE
DROPS ANY FURTHER.

CLB

Trust me, they are already finding ways to have it BOTH ways.....

Years ago I remember reading that the eastern U.S. was actually cooling a very modest bit, in contrast to the global trends. Research was by Walter Robinson of the University of Illinois. (Robinson is at the NSF right now.) The blame was cast on warming Pacific ocean waters, which were supposedly transporting more moisture inland, where it formed clouds, and the clouds were inducing a cooling effect on the East. Could the "warming hole" be experiencing the same thing?

Here's the paper by Robinson:
Robinson, W. A., R. Reudy, and J. E. Hansen, 2002: GCM simulations of recent cooling in the East-central United States. J. Geophys. Res., 107, 4748, doi:10.1029/2001JD001577.

Note that this says "East-central". I suspect the warming hole is in the same zone as the cooling discussed in the paper.

Where, may I ask, was all the warming in November? Certainly not anywhere in the East where it has been miserably cold, especially in the Southeast. We had no recognizable Indian Summer here. Perhaps you need to check your figures.
Reply: You need to read the the actual post or article, since it talks about the climate going back to 1951.

Isn't it amazing how the "experts" are always grasping at straws to get evidence for the, at this point, fictitious global warming. These people need to be concerned about valid issues, such as the recent cooling trend and lack of solar activity.

Interesting anyway. A "warming hole" in the middle of the US? So the warmth is coming from the oceans, not from the atmosphere, correct? You need to check out this page http://www.iceagenow.com to get at least part of the answer to this.

Rick Fanning

But, according to Martin Hoerling of NOAA's Earth System Research Laboratory, no change in temperature has occurred since 1951 in the center of the U.S., in what Hoerling describes as sort of a "warming hole".

All righty then! .......First, we were warned of armagedden caused by Global Warming as a result of man made gases ........then we were re-warned with a revision to Climate Change also as a result of man made gases but also included warm, cool,and generally everything that could be considered as bad weather! A few other variations have been advanced but without too much success (particularly media attention), such as climate chaos, planet in peril and the end of times!

Now, as the weather is continually changing despite what we do to the environment, we have been reduced to being affected by a warming hole!

Does this mean that the term du jour is now holey global warming or holey climate change!

Phew! ..........good thing that there's no such thing as holey cooling .........YET!

My "Underwater Suspension Tunnel" idea can change all this folkes!

la nina cold equatorial regions in the pacific compared to el nino warm regions in the equatorial pacific can be regulated by them depending on how long we keep them in cooling phase or remove them from cooling phase. I predict they can regulate the PDO by turning them off or on and computer modeleling of them will prove this.Also, the same holds true in the atlantic for the AMO. Another way they can help in climate regulation is removing GHGs from the atmosphere due to the huge amount of hydroelectrical power they can produce. It all depends on where we set them up in the deep western boundry currents. We can actually cool the AMO while while warming the PDO and vise versa with them, it all depends if they are in cooling phase or not. This may effect the frontal systems that cross the US and can turn hurricanes out to sea and also lower the tornado threat across the US..

According to Oz and Patrick Henry, this doughnut hole also covers Colorado and Pittsburgh. Therefore, AGW has been proven false. After all, Denver is the center of the universe, and the Sun revolves around Pittsburgh....or something like that.

I really do find these temperature releases to be so full of spin that they become almost fraudulent. NOAA statements are based on 1951 to 2000 which of course conveniently overrides the higher temperatures of the 1930�s. If they were to include this period or make comparisons directly against those temperatures then maybe there monthly analysis would be more believable. Because they don�t, climate science commands little respect for those who don�t just blindly accept the party line.

Kipp Alpert:The IPCC says about 1.2 degrees so I guess their predictions are a little conservative.
Here is a good explanation of how Global Warming works. For a planet with no infrared absorbing layer above the surface, the fourth power of the surface temperature always approximates a value determined by the incoming solar radiation. The only way the surface temperatures can exceed this value is if there is an atmosphere which acts to be a blanket to outgoing radiation. Adding greenhouse gases to an atmosphere whose temperature decreases with height must act to warm the surface by making the net downward emission greater than zero." Physics Of the Greenhouse Effect. KIPP

Why is it that no one has ever measured CO2's conribution to the GHE? Does anyone here have any ideas on how one might measure CO2's contribution to the GHE?

Brett,

What is the normal temp for the contiguous US?

Reply: Around 52.8 F

Would you consider the US to have one Climate?

Reply: No

Mark,

If someone came up with a sound idea to measure CO2's contribution to GW, would you advocate the Gov't allocating money to do so?

Thanks,

Steve

That hole must include southern Ontario too. No warming trend is evident here either (except at weather stations which were rural 50 years ago and now are surrounded by city).

I really do find these temperature releases to be so full of spin that they become almost fraudulent. NOAA statements are based on 1951 to 2000 which of course conveniently overrides the higher temperatures of the 1930�s. If they were to include this period or make comparisons directly against those temperatures then maybe there monthly analysis would be more believable. Because they don�t, climate science commands little respect for those who don�t just blindly accept the party line.

Try telling Global Warming to ranchers in the Dakotas & MT-when they're trying to start their diesel tractors to take care of and feed their cattle that have been standing in -26 below temps with 20-30mph winds, not to mention the wildlife trying to survive....when reading the info on the blog, perhaps there are some unanswered questions about all this that need to be identified?

Perhaps there needs to be a few of the researchers, actually spending time IN THE COLD to actually believe it-easy to assume when you're not experiencing it.

They said the Dakotas are colder than Alaska today...is that global warming?

Dunno what sort of record for December 15th the temperatures are breaking today, but it is certainly not unusually cold for this time of year.

I sorta view this as Christams to New Year's weather, just a bit early this year.

Proves nothing, one way or the other, about climate change.

Do warming holes act like black holes?

Steve Rowland: Your last two points are true. Scientists don't know when the tipping points will come, but they believe the Arctic, might be History in ten years.It's positive feedback loop is just starting up.Ice melts,less reflectivity of outgoing IR, absorption of IR in dark arctic waters,further warming,ice melts. So this loop is real, and I hope it gets colder fast. KIPP

Brett:If I had to moderate your blog,first I would pick up drinking,and then I would see a psychiatrist, for the rest of my life.KIPP

Reply: Oh, it's not that bad Kipp.

In other words, both coasts are warming and the interior isn't. Just a coincidence that the Pacific and Atlantic were both in warm phases recently?

Its cold this month but the overall climate trend is rising temp...

Global Temperature Record

Its become a cooling hole. let them continue to push the AGW. Cooling is becoming so blatantly obvious that it only helps the skeptics case the more they lie... LOL

According to Oz and Patrick Henry, this doughnut hole also covers Colorado and Pittsburgh. Therefore, AGW has been proven false. After all, Denver is the center of the universe, and the Sun revolves around Pittsburgh....or something like that.

REPLY: ***YYYYYAAAAWWWNNN*** Did somebody say something?????........

More evidence of the Heat Island Effect, not global warming.

The article is filled with terms like "probably", "likely" and "unlikely". That is all they can come up with since they have no data to show the earth is still warming. That is because it isn't warming and hasn't been since 1998. And why the arbitrary year of 1951? Why not start with 1934, the warmest year on record. As far as arctic ice coverage, well it has rebounded magnificently since thew low point in 2007. The 2008 melt was not near as much and the ice has recovered nicely. What does that tell us?

Whenever the weather is unusually cold it's always global warming. When it's unusually cold and snowy it's either ocean currents or some facet of global warming that we lay people don't understand that is causing the cooling. Nonsense, hogwash, and B.S.!

These people need to wise up before they find icicles hanging on their backsides!(caused by warming to be sure)

Rick Fanning

Hmmm...

So, let's see, several months ago, I opined that maybe NOAA, NASA, and other agenices had an agenda in claiming that all things weather are negatively affected by AGW.

I would like to express my thanks to the head of NOAA for proving my point. For, in a large group like NOAA, if the head cheese says something is so, the worker bees all fall in line.

So we have warmed since 1951 and it is "MOSTLY" the result of the energy sources we use? I presume he is condemning the world's energy sources not just the US's.

Simply put, it shows a bias and an agenda in lieu of academic insight.

A funny thing happened last Friday at the ranch... I was out front doing some touch up on our Christmas lights. As I went out, the sky was light overcast, the moon was obscurred, and no stars were visible. The temp was probably around 28 to 30. As I worked, the sky cleared and the temp dropped FAST. By the time I came in after 90 minutes, the temp was 16 and heading south. We got down to 9.

I have never seen frost actually form before then. I literally watched as it covered the lawn, cars and light strings. Pretty cool, just like in the cartoons.

However, according to the "OFFICIAL" low temp for that night it was 18. Anybody see a difference? But no really, the temp maps are accurate right?

You know, according to the hype, I thought cloud cover meant nothing to temps. And odd enough, though both of my neighbors had their fireplaces going, the added local CO2 did nothing to save my tootsies from freezing.

I for one would like to know what NASA's carbon footprint is and could we stop global warming (if ther was such a thing) by disbanding the whole lot of them.

How much carbon is produced during the manufacurting process of all of the products in use by their agency, let alone a single shuttle mission. Rather hypocritcal I think

Skeptics: You talk about the warming this year in some place. You argue that it started to cool, in 1990 or some arbitrary date. First global warming is not an event but a longer term. I think that in terms of climate change, the amount of warming in the last one hundred and fifty years, is called rapid climate change. As for those cooling trends, there is not one site or scientific organization to support your claims. The United States is one of the last places you will experience global warming according to Science. Knowledge about what you are talking about might make you better skeptics, and lack of that just shows that ignorance speaks loudest. Maybe you could tell the Arctic that it is cooling, and the methane clathrates that are about to melt. Oh, and by the way, since it is almost Christmas, Winter will soon be here, and yes; it is colder than summer! KIPP

David B.Benson:Thanks for reminding the skeptics that winter is colder, and summer is warmer.
KIPP

Gw Steve: Product shows the Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR) from the Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) and High Resolution Infrared Sounder (HIRS). The AVHRR and HIRS OLR products are divided into daytime and night (ascending and descending) products. The current products are generated from AVHRR and HIRS data from NOAA-15, 16, 17, 18 and Metop2.
e:I will give this means of measuring GHG's.You have been stalling in your conclusions about these details. Again I cna show you how actual data is aquired. By satellite to the Earth, both the enrgy budget and the actual amount of co2 and other gases in the air. Several Instituions use this information. KIPP

Darren:If you had an Idea of the work, the humongous amount of work that goes on to get information, and how it is shared, by several different countries,you would be shocked. Satellites data, incoming outgoing radiation of the IR, datasets and more datasets, coupled gcm's, forecasting to name 1%. Instead of obstructing good work, and the dissemination of Ideas, you would applaud them. KIPP

Kipp Alpert:
So my 'last two points are true'? Quite frankly you are welcome, no challenged, to show where ANY of my points on this blog are false. You may not use conjecture, voodoo, soothsaying, crystal balls, or (i could go on and on, but you get the point), in establishing that any of my posts are false. Just the facts, sir.

Thank you, however, for noting my above posts on this thread.

srr

OK, i did not read the whole artical...warming hole, hmmmmm. Now what I got out of the post was that there is warming but not everywhere? Does this mean there are Cooling Holes too? Or is there a hole in the warming data? I simply couldn't read the whole thing because it felt ingenuine to me. Between heat island effects and poor locations for data collection I have become very suspect of the AGW alarmism. Again I wish to suggest that people go outside and observe cirrus clouds as they are usually the harbingers of storm fronts. Watch the interaction of cirrus clouds and jet trails. I was returning to the Catskill Mountains from Portland Maine sunday, and I saw clearly the advancing storm system, I saw clearly the jet trails innoculating the cirrus clouds with white vaporous substances that clearly forced flat long line artificial clouds. It was blatent and like something out of a sci fi movie. Right over the whole Mass Pike region. Another thing to consider is the arctic and subtropical jet streams. They interact and make for weather. Driving cold south and warmth north. This action seems to be what drives weather and ultimately climate. By the way Dr. John Coleman, founder of the weather channel, has formerly come out and is publically announcing sueing Mr. Al Gore for fraud regarding global warming hype and alarmism. He says he has 30,000 yep thirty thousand scientists who are behind him. Settled science, uh huh. This NH winter is shaping up to be one to remember, I have relatives in Spain reporting cold and wet condidtions. Madrid saw a trace of snow a few days ago. OH, some people locally have been saying that they are upset because the Artic ocean is ice free. The northwest passage is open. I asked them if they knew that that was just the summer melt and it is refrozen...They couldn't believe it. No there is open water in the arctic, the pole has melted! Apparently the media does not mention the fabulous freeze up the fall. Great stuff!

VG | December 16, 2008 2:45 AM & DNCLARK | December 16, 2008 9:01 AM --- Here is a very short thread which you ought to read:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/2008-temperature-summaries-and-spin/

Kipp,

AVHRR - Is in SPACE and measures in .6(which is RED Visible light), .9, 11, and 12 micrometers. CO2 absorbs wavelengths of 2.7, 4.3, and 15 micrometers, how is this sensor helpful in measuring CO2's contribution to the GHE? Furthermore wavelengths 2.7 and 15 are also absorbed completely by Water Vapor leaving only 4.3 as a CO2 only absorbed wavelength making CO2's contribution to the GHE even smaller.

What we need is an AVHRR that measures 2.7, 4.3, and 15 micrometer waves that is on the GROUND facing skyward to measure how much energy is being directed at the Earth in those wavelengths. We can then postulate that ALL or SOME of that energy is coming from CO2.

How many PhD Climatologists does it take to figure out to measure CO2's contribution to the GHE? Zero. We have Modelers like Hansen to make up values, why take measurements when you can spend lots of tax revenues on a guess?

HIRS - Might be able to pick up some of the 4.3 micrometer wavelength as it has 4.13 and 4.45 micrometer channels, but it would only be able to measure how much of that wavelength is making it to SPACE, not how much is not making to SPACE. It is used to measure Water Vapor and Ozone characteristics.

I will give this means of measuring GHG's.You have been stalling in your conclusions about these details. Again I cna show you how actual data is acquired. By satellite to the Earth, both the enrgy budget and the actual amount of co2 and other gases in the air. Several Instituions use this information.

Great Jorb! You showed NOTHING. Don't be too hard on yourself though, plenty of Climate Experts show as little as you but get tax revenues to do so. You gave two methods that do not measure CO2's contribution to the GHE, two methods that cannot measure it, and you showed how data is acquired for studies not related to CO2 or the energy it absorbs.

My hat is off to you Sir!

Steve

Steve Rowland included an article with this quote:

"We're out of time," Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. "Things are going extinct."

I don't think the vast majority of extinctions have anything to do with global warming. Habitat loss, over-hunting, over-fishing, and alien species introductions are the primary causes.

If climate change causes extinctions, then there should have been mass die-outs when the planet went into the Ice Ages and then another round when the climate warmed 10,000 years ago by an amount and at a rate that would Al Gore spin. Other than wooly mammoths, sabre-toothed tigers etc. going away, I haven't heard any discussion of massive extinctions on the order of the dinosaur extinction over the past million years until the past couple of centuries. Even those big Pleistocene animals are believed to have largely been eliminated through hunting.

The only reason why global warming would cause extinctions is if man has taken those species to the brink already through other more important and controllable means.

GW Steve | December 18, 2008 3:09 PM --- You could learn that John Tyndall first measured global warming due to CO2 and also water vapour in 1859 CE (and lots more) by reading "The Discovery of Global Warming" by Spencer Weart:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html

Review of above:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E7DF153DF936A35753C1A9659C8B63

rd | December 18, 2008 3:47 PM --- The transition from LGM to Holocene required about 15,000 years for the entire global 5--6 K. Much slower rate of change than now.

Kipp Albert: Skeptics: You talk about the warming this year in some place. You argue that it started to cool, in 1990 or some arbitrary date. First global warming is not an event but a longer term. I think that in terms of climate change, the amount of warming in the last one hundred and fifty years, is called rapid climate change. As for those cooling trends, there is not one site or scientific organization to support your claims.

I'm not sure which skeptics say cooling began in 1990, so I can't comment on that. Most skeptics think cooling began around 2002, which is about seven years. It's not just that there were seven years of cooling, it's that's there were seven years without warming in a time when supposedly warming should not only be continuing, but accelerating. As far as a site that supports cooling since 2002, try RSS, which shows the lower tropospheric temperature decreasing by about 0.295 degrees C per decade since January 2002.

Ignore the regression line, which misleads the eye into missing the declining trend. The long-term 0.157 degree per decade "linear" trend is largely due to a step up that occurred in 2001, following the major 1998 El Nino. The linear trend between January 1979 and January 1997 is a mere 0.071 degrees per decade, and, as mentioned above, the trend since 2002 is negative.

GW Steve:

UK scientists see greenhouse evidence

This is from 2001 -- where the heck have you been since then? In a cave?

It's all about the sun , duh. Man has no measurable effect. Simple. Don't let the lefty liberals tell you any different. They only want us to be miserable and feel guilty that we ruined the earth. WRONG!

Kipp:

Frankly put, I know more about the effort to get information on both a local and global scale than you could even IMAGINE.

If you had nary a clue, you would be hooribly shocked by the amount of flat out informed guessing that goes on in that effort. And since the vast majority of those who do the guessing have an opinionated point of view, you end with an opinionated data set. I'll let the reader opine as to the slant of those guessing efforts.

David Benson:

So let me get this straight, Warming as a WORLD problem was discovered in 1859? Really? Give me a friggin break. What Tyndall noted was the characteristic of CO2 and vapor H2O to "magically" retain heat. There is absolutely no way on this Earth that he understood the implications of that quirk of nature he noted. And even better, I bet he had NO idea why it even occured. He just knew that his experiments showed it. Energy wave theories weren't really fleshed out yet. Beyond that, he had NO WAY of extrapolating his results to a global scale.

And then others, took that observation and built upon it's "lore" to claim that mankind was the problem that created weather issues.

Oh, and your idea that past rates of change are truly known is complete junk. It's bad enough that a significant part of our population rely upon trace element analysis to establish a "temperature for the climate" but to then imply that this indicates a rate of change is simply knowledgeable insanity.

Oakden Wolf,

:) Yes perhaps a cave, but one where the scientific method still is in use, much like medical science is ignored by Scientology in favor of mysticism.

http://www.john-daly.com/smoking.htm

Tell me if you find anything wrong with the above rebuttal. be patient and read the whole argument.

I'm curious, would you advocate a second expirement that measures incoming IR in the wavelengths that CO2 is known to emit? Much like a rain collector but for IR.

This can be readily done by pointing infrared spectrometers skyward to measure IR that is being directed at the Earth. A remote arid region would be needed to reduce noise of Clouds (Water vapor absorbs and emits in much the same spectrum as CO2) and UHI effect.

There's not much room for error as we can tell how much energy in the bands CO2 absorbs is being captured by the meters. Convert the measurement to W/m^2 and we have a "forcing" for CO2.

At night we can be sure the source must be energy captured and reradiated by CO2 back to Earth.

No need for stastistics or special algorithyms.

The method employed by Harries is like measuring rainfall by looking at how much moisture makes away from Earth's gravity. How can you be sure without measuring how much rain is in your rain collector?

Steve

Have any of you ever noticed that when the mainstream media dicusses "Global Warming", or the now more popular "Climate Change" that they don't distinguish between Celsius and Fahrenheit. They simply say that "by 2100, the Earth will warm x degrees" without telling us what scale they are using? Could they be using Kelvin? Where our President and his worshippers in the mainstream media are concerned, ignorance is unconquerable.